From nobody Tue Feb 11 11:13:34 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: "True Lies" on Fox - brilliant, fair and balanced!
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rander3127@aol.com writes:

> "True Lies" was perhaps one of the only "terrorist" movies that
> had a grain of truth.  Unlike so many other with their cartoon
> villains with British accents.

Yeah, I was trying to think one day of movies with Arab mastermind bad
guys, and not coming up with any.  (I'd forgotten about True Lies,
because it was a pretty lame movie overall, and the bad guys must have
been very forgettable.)

On the other hand, I can rattle off dozens of movies where the bad guy
is a white guy with a British accent.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Wed Feb 12 08:13:42 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: E! Ranking
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"Brent McKee" <bSmckee@shaw.caN> writes:

> One presumes that PETA supports the war with Iraq because the
> supposed Iraqi bio-weapons and nerve toxins were undoubtedly tested
> on animals first.

I doubt it.  A quick search of peta.org didn't turn up a statement on
the war, but I'll bet they're ambivalent at best.  I did find this
<http://www.peta.org/liv/c/66.html>, the gist of which is, "Yeah, that
video out of Afghanistan of the dog being gassed is bad, but America
(and Israel, of course) are still 100 times worse than anyone else."
Where extreme leftist groups are concerned, atrocities by other
countries are just opportunities to bad-mouth the US some more.

If they're right about some of the testing that's been done, I'd have
to agree with them on stopping it though, and I'm a dedicated
carnivore.


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Aaron

From nobody Thu Feb 13 08:02:44 2003
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Subject: Re: "True Lies" on Fox - brilliant, fair and balanced!
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rander3127@rogers.com writes:

> I'd say something is different when you go from 15 years ago to now
> and all the non-White villains (most of them) evaporate.  Again, my
> question is; Does Hollywood do this kind of casting because they are
> afraid to cast Arabs or non-Whites as villains, or do they do it
> because whites (villains or not) mean maximum possible box office
> returns?

I think it's both.  Part political correctness, part wanting to have
an interesting villain.  Someone mentioned "True Lies," which I saw,
but I'd completely forgotten the bad guys were Arabs because they made
so little impression.  Maybe we need to identify with Bad Guy to
appreciate his evilness.

We've seen so many Bad Guys with British or German accents that we're
comfortable with that, and we recognize them easily.  It's a more
subtle version of the way the bad guy used to always wear a black cape
and be accompanied by threatening music.  

And I'm not sure whether American audiences want to cheer against Arab
extremists in a theater right now (I think most people would find that
a little frivolous on the eve of war), but I am sure that Hollywood
wouldn't be comfortable making such a movie.


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Aaron

From nobody Fri Feb 14 09:07:16 2003
Newsgroups: alt.gossip.celebrities,rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Are you hot? More like, are you real?
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"Sim Peter" <speter@aol.com> writes:

> Shows like that make me understand why the rest of the world hates
> the US

The most popular American show ever overseas was Baywatch.  Suddenly
they're going to turn their noses up at a show where women strut
around showing their stuff?


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Aaron

From nobody Fri Feb 14 09:41:43 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: I have never seen a "reality " show .......do i need professional help
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madmktguru@aol.com (MadMktGuru) writes:

> or some sort of major drug ingestion.. to get my head str8 ...?

No, I've never seen one either.  I don't like watching people cry or
argue or be embarrassed, so that pretty much rules them all out for
me.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Fri Feb 14 09:45:32 2003
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JoanofArc@Helpmybottomsonfire.com (Wavy G) writes:

> I think it's cute when girls try to talk computers with won another.

It gives me a special feeling.


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Aaron

From nobody Sat Feb 15 08:30:44 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: The Right Wing -- a proposal
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smkmirrors@aol.com (SmkMirrors) writes:

> >>You want to see The Right Wing, watch the news.
> >>Scott

> Stay off the pipe Scott, the Left runs the big three outlets and
> CNN.

Some of these guys are *way* out there, aren't they?  Even the media
themselves don't try to claim they're right-wing or even centrist;
they just claim their personal left-wing beliefs don't affect their
reporting.  Anyone who thinks "the news" is right-wing is seriously
delusional, and probably shouldn't be allowed to own anything more
dangerous than a spork.

For some reason, whenever I see these "right-wing media" claims, I
always think of the same line from a MST3K episode.  You have to say
it in a deep, slow, Darth Vader-y voice:

  <evil chuckle>  "You pusses make me laugh."  <evil chuckle>

I don't know why, but that just comes to me every time.


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Aaron

From nobody Sat Feb 15 08:33:26 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: The New Weapon Against Terrorism: Duct Tape?
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busyba@yahoo.com (Bob) writes:

> Duct tape is like The Force.
> It has a light side and a dark side, and it holds the universe
> together.

"Duct tape?  That stuff's a rip-off.  I make my own tape." -- Joe,
Newsradio


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Aaron

From nobody Thu Feb 20 07:07:55 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Your favorite FOX show? Least favorite?
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tvfan87656@aol.comnospam (James) writes:

> What are your picks?

Favorite -- Simpsons, of course.

Least -- Everything else.  I'm not nearly hip enough to watch most Fox
shows.  I've got a special ball of hate reserved for Boston Public.  I
can't even take the promos for that nasty piece of work.


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Aaron

From nobody Thu Feb 20 07:12:09 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: "Joe Millionaire" numbers astronomical for FOX
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"Ian J. Ball" <ijball***SPAM-No***@mac.com.invalid> writes:

> What's "Everwood" and "Girlfriends"?! Chopped liver?!!

No, I've heard of chopped liver.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Thu Feb 20 07:29:55 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: 2 TV Movies: Monte Walsh and The Hound of the Baskervilles (some spoilers)
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Grey Wolf <phonyemail@phonyemail.com> writes:

> I liked both shows for different reasons.  The first [Monte Walsh]
> was not the best western I've ever seen, but I felt it did a pretty
> good job illustrating the end of the cowboys (due to the barbed wire
> fence).  

I haven't seen it yet, but the book is the best Western I've ever
read.  The original movie with Lee Marvin was extremely disappointing;
it veered completely away from the original story early on, and wasn't
much of a movie in its own right.  I'm hoping this one stays truer to
Schaefer's great story.

> I felt there was one bad CGI scene (the fence rider who committed
> suicide by riding his horse off a cliff) and one silly superfluous
> scene: where Monte leaped over the accountant and his companion on
> their automobile that was stuck in some mud.

Hmm, I definitely don't remember a suicide scene in the book, but the
other scene sounds familiar.  I haven't read it in over a year, so I
could be forgetting something.


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Aaron

From nobody Thu Feb 20 18:28:30 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv,alt.tv.pol-incorrect
Subject: Re: CNN Crossfire transcript: Janeane Garofalo
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"Uniblab" <uniblab@uniblab.net> writes:

> I am so grateful to live in a country where we have someone of the
> stature of Janeane Garafolo to advise us on foreign policy.

She's got a right to her views, but I intentionally didn't read it.
She's one of my favorite actresses, and I wouldn't want her off-screen
views to spoil that for me.  Likewise Gillian Anderson.  It's really
disappointing when an actor or actress is so good at playing smart,
intriguing characters, and then he or she opens his or her mouth about
current affairs, and proves to be dumb and conventional.


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Aaron

From nobody Fri Feb 21 19:55:24 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Jim Lehrer violates Godwin's Law
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Poot Rootbeer <poot@dork.com> writes:

> Rumsfeld should be thankful that he got an opportunity to feign
> outrage, getting him off the hook of actually answering the
> question.

That's okay, since it was more of a statement of opinion than a
question anyway.  


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Sat Feb 22 07:56:26 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Hasselhoff and Wife in Motorcycle Crash
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djaxmann@aol.combination (Andy Jakcsy) writes:

> And no one outside of Germany cares.  (But thanks for the article
> anyways :)

Well, if Germany cares, we'd damn well better care, to show our global
sensitivity.  Wouldn't want to be unilateralist in our non-caring.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Sat Feb 22 08:24:33 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: 2 TV Movies: Monte Walsh and The Hound of the Baskervilles (some spoilers)
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Grey Wolf <phonyemail@phonyemail.com> writes:

> I'm glad I posted, I didn't realize that there had been a previous
> Western, or even a book!

I can't recommend it enough.  It's by Jack Schaefer, the same author
who wrote _Shane_.

> The suicide was the old cowboy who'd fought in the war with General
> so-and-so, and was reduced to riding fence - in other words, putting
> up the fence.  He was pretty much a sad character, riding fence
> sounded like the worst job possible.

My uncle rides fence out in Nebraska somewhere.  Yes, on a horse.  It
doesn't sound exciting, but I'm sure it's no more boring than a
factory job, and he gets lots of exercise and sun.  

The book didn't focus on fence much; it sounds like the movie uses
fence as a metaphor for 'civilization.'  The book naturally can go
into more detail, and it does a great job of giving you the feeling of
encroaching civilization in many aspects, such as automobiles, laws,
statehood, corporate ranching companies, cowboys getting married and
living in town, etc.

I'm not bashing the movie; just praising the book.  I realize you
can't squeeze a whole novel into two hours of film, so they have to
make changes.  I'll definitely try to catch it soon.

By the way, if you want a great Selleck western, see "Quigley Down
Under."


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Sun Feb 23 13:16:13 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv,alt.tv.simpsons
Subject: Re: Desperately Need A Tape of  Simpsons' "Actors Studio"!
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Jason Saslow <jsaslow@deadspam.com> writes:

> Wait, how is that possible? The VCR records the signal directly from
> the cable (or satellite) source. Your TV mutes from the speakers
> out; it doesn't shut off the volume from the signal...

My dish box has volume and mute controls.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Mon Feb 24 16:08:59 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Grammys: What the hell?
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aniramca@yahoo.com (aniram) writes:

> The "cold" tone of Canadian government approach to help war in Iraq
> may be the reason that Avril did not win anything in the award!

Yeah, because everyone at the Grammys last night was so pro-American
and gung-ho for war, right?  Sheesh.  On the contrary, with that
bunch, being from another country could only help you score points.


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Aaron

From nobody Mon Feb 24 16:14:40 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Grammys: What the hell?
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aniramca@yahoo.com (aniram) writes:

> The "cold" tone of Canadian government approach to help war in Iraq
> may be the reason that Avril did not win anything in the award!

Yeah, because everyone at the Grammys last night was so pro-American
and gung-ho for war, right?  Sheesh.  On the contrary, with that
bunch, being from another country could only help you score points.

And I say that as someone who far prefers Lavigne's music to Norah
Jones's sleep-inducers.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Wed Feb 26 06:52:17 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: WTF is Kimmel thinking about ????
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morehits4u@aol.comnojunk (Morehits4u) writes:

> Don King is the guest host...........Kimmel starts talking about the
> Tyson fight...and asks King the following ...

> 1.  " Do u think that fight was fixed ? "  But he couldnt stop
> there... he asks

> " Don, did you ever have a fixed fight ? ""  beyond all belief

What's he supposed to do:  throw his guest softballs?  He's not doing
network news here.  I haven't seen the show, but knowing Kimmel's
style, I'd expect him to try to get every guest worked up in some way.


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Aaron

From nobody Thu Feb 27 12:27:58 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Tom Selleck returns, and more casting news
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tvfan87656@aol.comnospam (James) writes:

> >HOLLYWOOD (Variety) - Former "Magnum, P.I." star Tom Selleck will
> >take another stab at prime-time television, starring in the NBC
> >baseball comedy pilot "Touch 'Em All McCall."

> I wonder if they ever watched Mr. Baseball. 

I tried to once.  I like baseball and Selleck, but that was an awful,
awful movie.  It made me realize that a well-done movie is really an
art form, when I thought about how the baseball in "Major League" was
so compelling, and the baseball in "Mr. Baseball" was beyond boring.


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Aaron

From nobody Sat Mar  1 08:40:35 2003
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The Real Me <emerald.eyes@rcn.com> writes:

> I can't imagine being able to find someone willing to molest Hussein.
> <G>

You must have missed this story
<http://www.meanmrmustard.net/archives/000670.html> about Miss Germany
Universe trying to get a date with Saddam.  Hmm, if I oppressed a
nation, slaughtered millions, told the UN to bleep off for 12 years,
and funded terrorists, you think I could get a date like that?

What the heck is a 'Miss Germany Universe,' anyway?  Isn't that an
oxymoron?  Maybe that's why the Germans aren't interested in war:
they think the universe ends at their borders.


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Aaron

From nobody Mon Mar  3 08:55:27 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Remember when CBS meant quality sitcoms?
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aalucard@webtv.net writes:

> Remember when CBS had sitcoms of Mary Tyler Moore, Bob Newhart,
> Alice, The Jeffersons, MASH, One Day At A Time and All In The
> Family?

I guess nostalgia makes everything better.  Of all those shows, the
only one I can stand in reruns is MASH, and there are several
extra-preachy Aldariffic episodes of it that I won't watch.  Some of
those other sitcoms had their good moments, but most of them also
tended to hit the viewer over the head with the Big F* Hammer of their
political views too often.

As for the Jeffersons -- I really wouldn't mention that in a post that
accuses modern sitcoms of being stupid.  

> Actually I believe some of these were shared the same evenings, I
> believe Alice and Jeffersons were on Sundays 9-10 - both far better
> then today's hour of Greek Life and Becker.

I can't argue with you there.  But "better than the worst crap on TV"
is hardly high praise.

> I believe .Newhart, MASH and One Day At A Time all shared Monday
> from 8:30-10. That 90 minutes alone kills today's Monday lineup.

I dunno.  MASH certainly beats anything on today, but I'll pass on the
other two.  As for today's lineup, I'll watch KoQ if it happens to be
on, but won't go to any trouble to see it.  The leads are funny, but
the other characters (especially Arthur) are just too stupid.  ELR is
still pretty good; I've only recently started watching it, so I'm
mostly seeing the older ones in syndication.  The other two shows are
useless.


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Aaron

From nobody Thu Mar  6 07:07:49 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Bill Clinton joins "60 Minutes"
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JXStern <JXSternChangeX2R@gte.net> writes:

> So Bubba should go on opposite Ann Coulter.

Better make sure there's nothing on the set that can be used as a
weapon.  Ordinarily I'd watch Coulter read the phone book, but this
wouldn't last 5 minutes without a scuffle.


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Aaron

From nobody Thu Mar  6 07:16:36 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: "FOX News and Bill O'Reilly"
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rv581@aol.com (rv581) writes:

> From www.LastStory.com
> 
> "FOX News and Bill O'Reilly"
> 
> In the late 1980s and early 1990s, Rush Limbaugh lead the talk radio

It's hard to take an article seriously when it makes a dumb grammar
error in the very first line.  It's one thing to do it in a Usenet
post (I have), but when you're trying to run a news web site, and
presumably selling advertising, do some proofreading, please.  

Sorry; just a pet peeve of mine.


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Aaron

From nobody Fri Mar  7 06:37:41 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Why is NBC killing Scrubs?
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mike9986@postmark.net (Mike) writes:

> NBC has just been treating Scrubs super-crappy as of late, and I
> can't figure out why. Yes, it doesn't retain 100 percent of Friends'
> lead-in audience, but it's still retaining a larger percentage than
> a post-Friends show has in years. I don't get why they keep on
> pre-empting it. I hope NBC renews the show, but at this point, I'm
> not optimistic.

Scrubs may be one of those shows that's just too smart for network
executives.  If they just plain don't like a show that's getting good
ratings, they'll preempt it, do a minimum of promotion, move it around
in the schedule, and show rerun episodes when new ones are scheduled,
until the ratings drop enough to justify killing it.

See Sports Night, News Radio, Duckman, and others.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Fri Mar  7 10:18:53 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Bush Would Lose Election__again!
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lab~rat <chase@cheese.net> writes:

> Are you under the impression that there was a surprise question
> lurking there somewhere?  All Presidents know exactly what's going
> to be thrown at them.  Reporters play by the rules because
> career-wise they'd fuck themselves if they didn't.

Most of the questions weren't questions anyway; they were
mini-editorials.


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Aaron

From nobody Fri Mar  7 17:42:14 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Why is NBC killing Scrubs?
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genxtv@aol.com (GENXTV) writes:

> Actually, as NBC sees it, they're protecting "Scrubs" by pulling it
> during sweeps so the increased competition doesn't hurt the show's
> ratings average. I fully expect NBC to stick with "Scrubs." The
> ratings are up and the retention rate has improved. Whether it's
> pre-empted here or there really makes no difference because with
> only 22 episodes, there are more than enough weeks in the season for
> all the episodes to air.

That's fine, as long as they promote the show when they do run new
episodes, so people can find it.  I hope you're right, since it's the
first show to come along in a few years that I've really liked.


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Aaron

From nobody Sat Mar  8 06:07:39 2003
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mattack@vax.hanford.org (Matt Ackeret) writes:

> But if you only promote it when there's new episodes, you'll never
> get people to watch the reruns..  and the reruns are when the
> network makes the money.

True, it should be promoted regularly, not just for new episodes.  But
new eps should be *especially* promoted, since NBC's treatment of the
show so far makes it difficult to catch them.

> Though you could just get a PVR, or simply videotape the same
> timeslot each week regardless..  Then you can just catch it whenever
> it's on.

Yes, I'd love to get a PVR.  But if the only Scrubs viewers are PVR
owners, I doubt it'll get the ratings to stay on the air for long.

I actually wouldn't mind seeing Scrubs moved to a different night, and
then left alone.  It doesn't really fit with Friends and W&G.  They're
sappy romances with jokes; Scrubs is a quirky comedy with occasional
romance.  The people I know who are big Friends fans would just be
confused and perplexed by Scrubs.  Unfortunately, I don't know of
anything on NBC that Scrubs *does* fit with.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Sat Mar  8 06:18:31 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
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mattack@vax.hanford.org (Matt Ackeret) writes:

> Hey, I'm a big fan of Scrubs, but "smart" it is not!  Many of the
> jokes are fairly lowbrow.

But you have to be paying attention to get them, and many are subtle.

> >ratings, they'll preempt it, do a minimum of promotion, move it
> >around in the schedule, and show rerun episodes when new ones are
> >scheduled, until the ratings drop enough to justify killing it.

> "Do not mistake for conspiracy and intrigue what can best be
> explained by stupidity and incompetence."

Not conspiracy, just the natural decisions arising from a personal
dislike of the show.

> I'm a huge Newsradio fan too, but weren't its ratings WAY down at
> the end of the last year?  (I actually think they did a remarkable
> job without Phil Hartman, but it still wasn't the same, and I
> suspect many others thought so strongly enough to stop watching.)

It also got almost zero promotion.  It's hard to say whether the show
could (or should) have survived without Hartman, but without any
promotion, it sure wasn't going to pull in any new viewers to replace
the ones who left after Hartman's death.

I suspect that everyone involved in the show -- producers, actors,
writers -- felt somewhat half-hearted about continuing the show after
Phil's murder.  For the writers and actors, that resulted in some
lackluster episodes and strange story arcs; for the network it
resulted in a lack of promotion.  Combine those two factors, and the
show was doomed.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Sat Mar  8 06:23:12 2003
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"Anthony Cerrato" <tcerrato@optonline.net> writes:

> > See Sports Night, News Radio, Duckman, and others.

> You can also add Andy Richter's show to this list too, AFAIC.

And Mystery Science Theater 3000, at least on Sci-Fi.  In three years
on Sci-Fi, I never saw a single promo for MST3K, until the final
episode.  They'd run Sliders promos during every commercial break
(I've got the MST3K tapes to prove it), but they couldn't be bothered
to market a show that they were spending 4 hours/week of airtime on.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Sun Mar  9 17:14:31 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Rant: This week's TV Guide crossword puzzle...
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level42galaga@aol.comNONONO (Phil from Chicago) writes:

> easy tiger let's not kill ourselves over the TV GUIDE crossword
> puzzle.  I defy DEFY you to do the New York Times crossword puzzle:)

American crosswords are for pussies.  Real men only do British
(cryptic) crosswords.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Sun Mar 16 07:21:12 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Dixie Chicks traitor:  "Don't take my money!"
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rander3127@rogers.com writes:

> I guess the reality of a few million fans not
> buying their albums slapped this ditz out of
> her delusion??

> NEW YORK (CNN) -- Dixie Chicks lead singer Natalie Maines was
> singing a new tune late Friday, this time in the form of an apology
> to President Bush for saying she was ashamed that he was from Texas.

So either A) Natalie Maines will discard her beliefs when they start
cutting into her pocketbook, or B) she didn't believe what she said in
the first place, and was just reciting it to please the crowd at that
time and place.  Which is better?

> "As a concerned American citizen, I apologize to President Bush
> because my remark was disrespectful. I feel that whoever holds that
> office should be treated with the utmost respect," Maines said in
> her latest statement.

I've gotta give her credit, though:  at least this is an actual
apology, rather than the Clinton/Lott non-apology apologies we've
become accustomed to, which usually boil down to, "I'm sorry all you
hillbillies misunderstood me," or just, "I'm sorry someone heard
that."

> In a concert in London, England, this week, Maines told the crowd:

What amazes me is that celebrities can't seem to learn that what they
say overseas gets back home.  They spend an afternoon hanging out in
some dictator's palace or performing in front of a bunch of US-flag
burners, and suddenly they're chiming in with opinions they'd never
utter back home where their paychecks are signed.  It's like they
think that the rest of the world is so far out in the sticks that word
will never get back to us.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Sun Mar 16 07:50:57 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: McCain urges cable a la carte
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estasiak@att.net (Ed Stasiak) writes:

> Of the 70+ channels I get, I only actually watch about 10.  If the a
> la carte rate was say $1 per channel I'd even be willing to spring
> for a premium channel or two to make up the difference, in addition
> to signing up for several more regular channels that are unavailable
> to me now.

But it wouldn't be $1/channel; that's the problem.  It's basic Econ
101.  If the cable company is getting $40/customer now, it'll still
need to average $40/customer no matter what pricing scheme is in
effect.  That's how much they need to stay profitable and in business.
They can't send 10 channels to your home any cheaper than 40.  In
fact, the total cost might go up a little, to pay for the more
complicated billing system.

In a choose-your-channels system, I'd expect to see the popular
channels like ESPN, TNT, and Nick cost quite a bit more than that.
After all, if the average customer only wants 10 channels, they'll
have to charge $4 for each channel to keep making the same income.
The only way you'll pay less is if you take a smaller selection of
less popular channels than the average customer takes.

Also, right now the channels that no-one would pay for, like the
shopping channels, help subsidize the others.  Switch to a system
where those channels don't exist, and all the others will be more
expensive.

If all that sounds like I'm against more customer choice in channel
selection, I'm definitely not.  I'm all for it; I just don't think we
should expect it to lower our bills.

> How much control would the government (local, state, fed) have over
> the rates that could be charged if this system was implemented thou?
> The cable companies _are_ granted a monopoly by the cities.

I can't imagine why McCain and the feds should have anything to do
with cable TV at all.  By its nature it's a local commodity.
Municipal governments should control who has the right-of-way to run
cable down the street (nothing says it has to be a monopoly); beyond
that, the market should take care of the details.


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Aaron

From nobody Sun Mar 16 09:48:34 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: american tourists in europe being spat on!!!
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rmr4now@aol.com (rathburne) writes:

> Just got back from two weeks in Europe.  Zero problems, zero
> spitting, lots of American stuff all over the place (just like there
> is lots of European stuff all over the USA).

That's not surprising.  Anti-American (and anti-war and anti-military)
sentiment always gets blown out of proportion.  That's not surprising,
since most of the people reporting on it agree with it.  Besides,
"American gets spat upon" is a catchier headline than "American has a
nice time in Paris."


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Sun Mar 16 14:24:21 2003
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Subject: Re: McCain urges cable a la carte
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Roy Knable <roy@hellvision.com> writes:

> This is where satellite has the advantage. They can already mix and
> match channels easily. They just don't want to allow a la carte yet.
> They don't need to average $40 per customer. I don't know where you
> got this figure from.

I pulled it out of thin air, just to use as an example.  The exact
number doesn't matter.  The point is that if the cable companies are
getting $X per customer now, they'll need to get at least $X per
customer after going to a la carte programming.

So if you like McCain's idea because it'll increase your choices, that
makes sense.  But it won't make cable cheaper in general -- probably
just the opposite.

I'd love to be able to get a la carte programming on the dish.  It'd
be great to be able to try a channel out for a month, and then drop it
if I didn't like it, without paying a 'downgrade' fee like they have
now.  I could subscribe to certain sports channels just during certain
seasons, and things like that.

> What about basic cable customers at $14 or so? With a la carte, the
> channels that nobody watches would just eventually cease to
> exist. The cable and satellite companies should only have to pay
> each channel a set amount for each person who subscribes to it. If
> you have a crappy channel that nobody likes, the way TNN and Sci-Fi
> are moving toward, you should go out of business. That's how the
> free market is supposed to work.

Good point.  That can already happen, since customer demand should
drive the cable company's willingness to pay for channels, but a la
carte programming would make the supply/demand relationship stronger.

> And, no, billing wouldn't be any more expensive. This is the 21st
> century. We have a little something called computers.

And lots and lots of customer service people to explain the bills,
take orders and complaints, etc.  Raise the complexity of the system,
and you raise the cost.  How much, who knows?

> With luck, in 20 or 30 years, this will be moot. Forget a la carte.
> It'll be all video on demand. Anything you want whenever you want it.
> Too bad it's not available today.

Let's hope it doesn't take nearly that long.  Five years ago I thought
we'd have common on-demand programming over the net by now.  Yet here
I sit still connected via modem.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Mon Mar 17 08:57:02 2003
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Subject: Re: Anti-war on C-Span
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hunthurst@earthlink.net (KazamaSmokers) writes:

> How about this - I'm against the war because:

> A) Saddam is arguably less of a threat to us than NKorea or Iran.

So you're in favor of attacking North Korea instead?  Now that we've
allowed/helped them to get nukes, there's really no acceptable
military option in Korea short of a tactical nuclear strike.  Anything
else would sacrifice Seoul, not to mention most of our 30,000 troops
on the border.  So we're reduced to pursuing diplomatic/economic
solutions there, which can surely be handled simultaneously with any
military endeavors in Iraq.  (At least until the day North Korea
breaks the nuclear taboo by bombing Japan or sneaking a suitcase nuke
into an American city, at which time all bets are off.)

It's been amazing to watch all the 'peace at any cost' folks in the
press go ultra-hawkish on North Korea all of a sudden.  Imagine what
would happen if Bush called a press conference today and said, "I was
reading the New York Times this weekend, and they convinced me that
North Korea is a much bigger threat than Iraq.  So as of this morning,
all our troops in the Middle East are pulling out and heading for
Korea."  Picture the back-pedaling!  You'd be able to take all the
"we're ignoring the real threat in North Korea" articles and simply
swap the word 'Iraq' with the phrase 'North Korea', and reprint them
for the next few weeks.

> B) Saudi Arabia likely had more to do with 9-11 than Iraq, even our
> own CIA says so.

Yes, and I'm disgusted with the special treatment that they're *still*
getting from our government, and especially our State Department.  The
hustling of prominent Saudi families out of the country so they
couldn't be questioned about their ties to terrorists, the willingness
to overlook the ambassador's wife's funding of terrorists, and our
capitulation to every demand they make of our troops -- I just don't
get it.  

It's all very nice that the Bushes and Powells have this 'special
relationship' with the Saudi rulers, but that shouldn't override all
other policy considerations.

> C) Saddam is a vicious evil bastard, true. So why don't we go Old
> School on this one and assassinate him and replace him with a puppet.
> It may take a little longer but it's a hell of a lot cheaper and less
> destabilizing.

I don't think that's nearly as easy in real life as it is in the
movies.  And Jimmy Carter, patron saint of the US media, surely
wouldn't approve.

> D) I'd reeeeallly wish those boneheads in Washington would turn
> their attention to the FUCKING ECONOMY!!! Waiter? A little consumer
> confidence at Table 3?

A successful conclusion in Iraq will do more for the economy than any
amount of tax-code or stimulus nonsense those jokers could do in D.C.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Tue Mar 18 07:00:14 2003
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Subject: Re: Broad generalization based on observation about rallies
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mpoconnor7@aol.comnojunk (Mpoconnor7) writes:

> The same thing happened during the Vietnam war.  The youngsters
> protested, while the middle aged and above supported it.

Not quite.  Poll numbers from the time show that younger people
overall supported the Vietnam War in greater numbers than their
elders.

<http://www.seanet.com/~jimxc/Politics/Mistakes/Vietnam_support.html>.
 
The reason it seems otherwise is because there's a very vocal minority
of young people (college students, mostly) who have lots of time on
their hands to go protesting.  Also, it's just plain fun.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Tue Mar 18 07:09:39 2003
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Subject: Re: Dumb-ass on TV tonight...
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kbuck40088@aol.comnospam (KBuck40088) writes:

> Funny thing about the French. Just heard on the news that the French
> say that they wholly believe that the rebuilding of Iraq (which will
> make $$$) should be a UN endeavor and that the French want to be a
> part of that. Talk about awaiting the spoils of war...

Sad thing is, knowing our State Dept., we'll probably go along with
them.  


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Tue Mar 18 07:15:23 2003
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Subject: Re: Dumb-ass on TV tonight...
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Carol Flynt <carol@cflynt.com> writes:

> I'm a Clinton supporter, and I do not like President Bush
> or agree with his policies.

By the way, here's a quote from Clinton that should surprise his
supporters, given his slams against Bush lately:

    "[I]f we leave Iraq with chemical and biological weapons, after 12
    years of defiance, there is a considerable risk that one day these
    weapons will fall into the wrong hands and put many more lives at
    risk than will be lost in overthrowing Saddam... In the post-cold
    war world, America and Britain have been in tough positions
    before: in 1998, when others wanted to lift sanctions on Iraq and
    we said no; in 1999 when we went into Kosovo to stop ethnic
    cleansing. In each case, there were voices of dissent. But the
    British-American partnership and the progress of the world were
    preserved. Now in another difficult spot, Blair will have to do
    what he believes to be right. I trust him to do that and hope the
    British people will too."

Amazing.  The guy still hates his successor so much that he can't give
him the same credit.  Does anyone think that Blair would be taking
this principled stand -- against his own party, even -- if Bush
weren't leading the way?

Oh well, at least he's getting on board, even if he can't do it
honestly.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Tue Mar 18 07:33:00 2003
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archang@sfu.ca (Andrew Ryan Chang) writes:

> So the lesson of 2003 is "get nukes ASAP"?  Personally, I am not
> sanguine about this pro-proliferation scheme.

That's been the lesson for decades, whether it's a pleasant one or
not.  Nukes are the great equalizer.  No military in the world can
compete with ours, but a couple of nukes can provide the leverage to
make that mostly a moot point.

The difference between North Korea (and most countries) and Iraq is
that NK *wants* us to know about their nukes.  (Heck, they might even
be claiming to be further along than they really are.)  That shows
that they aren't planning a surprise attack; their reason for wanting
nukes is for diplomatic leverage.  For the first time in 50 years,
there's a good chance (if we're smart) that we'll pull our troops out
of the DMZ and let South Korea take care of itself.

The real danger with NK isn't that they'll be attacking us directly
soon, but that they've shown a willingness to sell weapons and
materials to anyone and everyone, and they expect to have dirty-bomb
materials by this summer.  So we may have to eliminate those
facilities soon, through military action or diplomatic/economic
pressures.  However it works out, though, having our troops there as
sitting ducks only hurts our position.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Wed Mar 19 14:12:42 2003
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molind@koyote.com (Linda) writes:

> I knew this show was in trouble the first night of airing when the
> the first 3 female contestants pulled prizes from underneath
> 3 hunky men's  skirts.

My thoughts exactly.  First of all, they stole that bit from that
'Toothbrush' game-show on Comedy Central, so it showed a serious lack
of originality.  Secondly, it was crude enough to drive off probably
half the viewers who were old enough to be nostalgic about the orginal
'Deal.'


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Wed Mar 19 15:01:45 2003
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Subject: Re: WHO WILL THE WORLD ROOT FOR?
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hunka@mail.com (bloodyank) writes:

> it aint gonna be the american soldier thats fer sure!!
> yeehaa!!!
> yanks on the loose agin!!!

The list of countries that are supporting the U.S. in this war effort,
with troops, materials, weapons experts, bases, and/or other aid,
includes:

Britian, Australia, Albania, Denmark, Latvia, Poland, Spain, Ukraine,
the Czech Republic, Bulgaria, Romania, Slovakia, Germany, Bahrain,
Croatia, Hungary, Italy, Jordan, Kuwait, Qatar, the United Arab
Emirates, Afghanistan, Azerbaijan, Colombia, El Salvador, Eritrea,
Estonia, Ethiopia, Georgia, Iceland, Japan, Korea, Latvia, Lithuania,
Macedonia, the Netherlands, Nicaragua, the Philippines, Turkey, and
Uzbekistan.

Even the French are showing signs that they'd like to get involved
after all, so as not to miss out on the spoils of war afterwards.

Unilateral, my ass.

And that should be 'WHOM,' by the way.  And what happened, did you use
up all your capital letters in the subject?  Save a few for the body
of your post next time.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Sat Mar 22 19:42:14 2003
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kbuck40088@aol.comnospam (KBuck40088) writes:

> Do you think that the anti-war is wholly against the war, regardless
> of who was in office, or is it just anti-Republican sentiments using
> the war as a platform? Curious to hear your opinions.

It's not anti-Republican so much as anti-GWB.  After all, the last
time a Republican president went to war in Iraq we heard very little
out of the peace movement except for the real die-hards who are
actually consistent enough to protest against all US military action.
When we began Desert Storm, support for the war polled only about 45%,
but the other 55% apparently didn't care much.

If you actually see footage of these protests (most of the TV coverage
I've seen of them doesn't show the protesters, it just shows reporters
telling me what they think), the theme of Bush-hatred comes through
clearly in the chants and posters that are mostly personal attacks on
GWB.  You see very little concern for Iraq or even the U.N.  It's all
about our 'unelected' president.

There's a chunk -- maybe 20% or so -- of the population out there that
is still very angry about the 2000 election (heck, if Tom Daschle
can't get over it, why should they?) and this war is really striking a
nerve with them.  Bush's confidence, his open declarations that Right
and Wrong exist, and especially his religious conviction, only serve
to fuel their rage.

And if you've watched footage of the protests, you'll also realize
that some of these people are simply insane.  Like the guy I saw who
babbled for minutes about extra-terrestrials and cosmic consequences
or something.  I couldn't really follow it.

It's important, though, to notice another anti-war group: far-right,
anti-Semitic, head-in-the-sand isolationists.  These nasty pieces of
work probably aren't represented much at the protests, but they write
lots of articles and try to pass themselves off as the true
conservatives and patriots.  They aren't.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Mon Mar 24 18:11:20 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Michael Moore asks "What am I doing?" (Feel the love forHollywood   celebrities)
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gazelle@yin.interaccess.com (Kenny McCormack) writes:

> I think I am going to put together a server that will dispense this
> liberal claptrap on demand.  It doesn't take much to assemble a
> post.

> Key phrases would include: "bush bad", "bush dump", oil, blood, ...
> The usual BS...

Someone beat you to it; it writes the New York Times.  Two advanced
humanoid models, the Nader-34XJ and the Daschle Avenger, are also in
limited production, but are still afflicted with bugs that cause them
to go off on incoherent rants that destroy all credibility.


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Aaron

From nobody Mon Mar 24 18:20:17 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: SEND MICHAEL MOORE TO IRAQ AS AMBASSADOR
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Bush Busta <BushBusta@America.com> writes:

> D) Laughing your butt off as these right wing loser fume about
> Michael's latest Shock and Awe attack on the Bushie heartland.

If he wanted to cause Shock and Awe he should have torn off his shirt.


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Aaron

From nobody Wed Mar 26 15:51:46 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: OT: French's Mustard all about patriotism
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"nonsensname" <520065863424-0001@t-online.de> writes:

> I almost burst with laughing when I saw a report on Bush and it was
> said he had freedom toast, formally known as french toast, as
> dinner.  Come on, different opinions and all, but this is childish.

Yes it is.  Which makes it the perfect response to the French.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Thu Mar 27 07:03:17 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv,rec.arts.movies.current-films,alt.gossip.celebrities
Subject: Re: Michael Moore pisses off the entire globe
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RogerM <rodger.mckay@ns.sympatico.ca> writes:

> The Poles weren't exactly innocent babes, themselves. And it's not
> that Bush is a dictator, it's that he is a war-monger bent on
> empire-building.

Be sure and me know when to sew that 51st star on my flag.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Thu Mar 27 07:42:42 2003
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Carol Flynt <carol@cflynt.com> writes:

> So we can all be children, together?
        
Why not? We're not talking about anything that actually matters
here. I'm not suggesting that Colin Powell should tell French
surrender jokes at the U.N. If some guy who runs a deli wants to burn
off some war-time tension by selling Freedom Toast, who cares?

-- 
Aaron
<http://aaron.baugher.pike.il.us/blog/index.php?m=200303#6>

From nobody Thu Mar 27 08:01:26 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: poignant moment on CBS
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kbuck40088@aol.comnospam (KBuck40088) writes:

> Regardless of where you stand on the war this moment on CBS tonight
> was touching:

> A US marine stood in an Iraqi town as water was given out. Children
> ran about, adults rushed for the supply. The marine, watching, had
> tears streaming down his cheek. "Now I know why I'm here," he said.

Yep.  Hopefully everyone who's asked, "Why aren't the Iraqis glad to
see us," saw this story.  People who haven't had clean water for a
couple weeks (because their own government cut it off) just *might*
have more important things to worry about than putting on pro-US
demonstrations for the cameras.  I saw genuine thanks and happiness on
those faces, especially the kids.

In another part of that same story, the reporter talked about how one
Iraqi talked to him, but was afraid to go on camera, because, "there
are still detectives everywhere."  They can't be blamed for keeping
their enthusiasm under wraps, when they know there are Saddamites
taking down a list of names hoping for another post-war purge.

These people have been through Hell under Saddam's regime, and we let
them down once 12 years ago.  They'd have to be crazy not to be
cautious in their optimism.


-- 
Aaron
<http://aaron.baugher.pike.il.us/blog/index.php?m=200303#7>

From nobody Thu Mar 27 08:26:42 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Michael Moore and the Dixie Chicks
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Orac <Orac@wabcmail.com> writes:

> Actually, I wonder how the other nominees who were standing with him
> in "solidarity" felt after his tirade. I suspect they didn't know
> quite what they were in for when they agreed to go up there with
> him.

They might not have realized he'd be so obnoxious about it, or that
he'd focus on personal attacks against Bush rather than the war.

Of course, if they thought that, they must not have ever see Moore in
action before.  He did exactly what I expected him to.  

[Task for today:  Find a way to use the word "ficticion" in
conversation as often as possible.  Put it in the vernacular right
next to "strategery."]


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Thu Mar 27 14:40:05 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Michael Moore and the Dixie Chicks
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Terwilliger <Terwilliger@onebox.com> writes:

> Who said "fictition"?

Moore did, in his Oscar rant.  He used the words 'fiction' and
'fictitious' several times each, and one time they spat out together
as 'fictition.'  

"I do not think that means what you think it means."


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Thu Mar 27 18:32:25 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Satellite TV help (in NY especially)
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dimlan17@yahoo.com (David) writes:

> The Dish network doesn't mention YES so I take it they don't offer
> it?

They didn't last time I checked.

> And DirecTV offers YES as part of the sports package but it only lists
> the price as part of the "total choice premier" package, which comes
> out to a whopping $86 a month. So is it impossible to get the sports
> package as part of "total choice" or YES as one of the regional sports
> networks? 

I don't know about DirecTV.  With Dish, the Fox sports channels and
MSG are part of the $5/month sports add-on.

> And is the "one in-market regional sports network" that comes with
> the other packages apply to NY City or do we get both MSG and FSNY
> since they're both FOX Sports stations?

I doubt it, but you could call and ask them.  I live 2 hours from
St. Louis and 6 hours from Chicago, so naturally I get stuck with
FS-Chicago instead of FS-Midwest in St. Louis as my free 'in-market'
sports network, and have to pay the $5/month to get the others.

> And can someone explain the sports package blackout rules in a clear
> way?

No.  This cannot be done.

> Will all the out-of-market games get blacked out and it'll basically
> be all "Best Damn Sports Show" all the time?

More or less.  Again, the blackout system cannot be understood or
predicted, but basically, anything outside your area that you'd
actually like to see will be blacked out.  You'll be able to watch
TBDSSP on 30 different channels at once, though.

> I got some technical non-sports related questions as well. Will the
> dish effect my ability to use the vcr?

The dish receiver tunes in one channel, and outputs it on 3 or 4.  So
you'll have to change channels on the dish box, and leave your VCR set
to the same channel all the time.  That means you can't tape two shows
on different channels while you're away, unless you have a VCR that's
capable of changing channels on the dish box.  (I believe some VCRs,
as well as some Tivo-type boxes, can do that.)  You also can't watch
one channel while taping another, because only one channel comes out
of the dish box at a time.

> Does the weather really have a big effect on the reception?

Most storms take out the reception for a couple of minutes, right when
the front edge of the storm passes through the signal.  Then reception
comes back once the edge has moved on.  Severe weather, with lots of
lightning or hail, can prevent reception until they pass.

> And will it have any effect on my other television which is only
> connected to an antenna?

No.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Fri Mar 28 15:45:17 2003
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Crowfoot <suzych@swcp.com> writes:

> Our military has blindly ignored Iraq's history of strong
> nationalism (they were the Assyrians, remember them?  They were
> feared and powerful warriors of the Ancient World: "The Assyrians
> came down like a wolf on the fold, their cohorts all gleaming in
> purple and gold.") and a tribal structure that Saddam Hussein knows
> how to use to unite even those who oppose him to fight off an
> invader -- *any* invader, and this time, in our self- righteous
> arrogance, it's us -- without even taking the trouble to take into
> account the nature of the society and history of our chosen enemy.

What makes you think those things haven't been taken into account?
Because Dan Rather and Peter Jennings didn't consider them?  Because a
general says he's surprised by something that happened?

All the right-wing sources I read (you know, the ones who are running
the Bush puppet empire) have been running articles for the last year
about how we'd better understand the Iraqi people.  About how their
high rate of cousin marriage (40%) means they have very strong family
and tribal loyalties.  About how Saddam's long reign of terror has
taught them to think of him as practically immortal, so they won't
really be able to believe he's gone and start dancing in the streets
until they've got serious proof.  About the mob-style mentality that
Saddam has fostered down through the ranks of his forces (his favorite
movie is supposed to be The Godfather), which makes it risky for any
of his commanders to break ranks, for fear of being shot by his
comrades.

I have a feeling that Rumsfeld, Rice, and Co. know about all these
things.  They certainly haven't been promoting the 'cakewalk' idea;
they've been beating the 'patience' drum since Sept. 12, 2001.  If all
the TV talking heads decided this war should only take a week, that's
not the Administration's fault.  In fact, the only prominent figure
I've seen claim the war should go quickly was Bill Clinton, who said
we didn't need to be in a hurry to start, because it'd be over with in
a flash.  He's an idiot, but we already knew that.

> There will be plenty of horror to go round when it's done, and 
> precious little honor or triumph-of-the-good.  If people are not
> dancing in the streets, maybe it's because they have a more 
> realistic view of what's going on than you're going to get on CNN
> or Fox.

Absolutely.  These people have taken a lot of crap for a lot of
years.  It's pretty hard for us to imagine living our lives in a
country where the leader (who's been there all your life) can have you
hauled off and tortured or killed any time he likes (and maybe has
done that to a relative or two of yours), where his informants could
be living next door, and where his face stares down at you from huge
billboards every day.  As long as any of that apparatus is still in
place, or even looks like it might re-emerge, we should expect them to
be subdued at best.

Besides, the question of whether we're doing the Right Thing shouldn't
depend on how many accolades we get.  

> If you want some real news, watch BBC world report on PBS if you can
> get it, and Amy Goodman's program "Democracy Now" and WorldLink on
> Satellite TV, and, sometimes, Charlie Rose.  What we're getting from
> our own corporate-owned media is propaganda, the flip side to the 
> propaganda for the other side from Al Jazeera.  Precious little 
> truth at either pole.

The BBC almost makes Al Jazeera look fair-minded these days.  They're
about as anti-Coalition as you can get without actually being a French
UN diplomat.

I've been reasonably impressed by the US media so far, with the caveat
that radio is better than TV, print is better than radio, and blogs
are better than print, but those things are always true.  But CBS and
NBC (my only local networks) have been pretty decent.  Sure, they ask
stupid, impatient questions and they still don't like Bush very much,
but they've been willing to show US soldiers being brave and doing
good things, like the water delivery into Umm Kasr on 60 Minutes
Wednesday night.  That was a refreshing piece to counter all the
hand-wringing and talk about quagmires.

For me, the best part of that piece was that we got to actually *see
the people*.  I don't think we can be reminded too often that these
people aren't just statistics for a future history book; they're
regular human beings just like us.  That just made me prouder than
ever of our military people, that they're waging this war with greater
consideration for civilian lives than any force in history, and
they're even risking their own lives more than necessary to do it.

Well, I think I've reached maximum maudlin-ness, so I'll end there.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Fri Mar 28 16:18:36 2003
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Crowfoot <suzych@swcp.com> writes:

> Armchair generals, but also REAL generals.  Gen. William Wallce,
> field commander, yesterday: "We didn't expect them to fight like
> this.  They aren't acting like the enemy in our wargames."

I have to wonder if he was trying to make a joke, and has an overly
dry sense of humor.  In print, that's the way it comes across to me.
I don't know what question he was responding to, but if it went
something like this:

Reporter: You aren't advancing as fast as you were yesterday.  What's
taking so long?  I expected to be home in time to catch the Girls Gone
Wild pay-per-view special.

Maybe the General should have said, "They just refuse to stand still
in the open while we shoot at them."  That would have been obviously
sarcastic.

It could also be some of that "respect the enemy" attitude, too.  Like
when one sports team is trouncing another team at halftime, but they
still spout cliches like, "It's not over yet; they're a strong team
and are giving it everything they've got out there."  I can read it
that way too.

Anyway, just some speculation.

> No wonder we're in trouble.

In trouble?  We've advanced farther, faster, with fewer casualties
than any other force in history.  In the meantime, we're already
bringing in aid to the civilian population where it's secure to do so.
We may have taken out some of Saddam's top men in the first minutes of
action.  Strategically, I'm not sure how this war could be going much
better.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Sat Mar 29 05:29:43 2003
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Crowfoot <suzych@swcp.com> writes:

> Our military has blindly ignored Iraq's history of strong
> nationalism (they were the Assyrians, remember them?

Not long after you mentioned Assyrians, I came across this great story
from a modern-day Assyrian who went to Iraq against the war, and
didn't find what he expected.  It's long, but very worth reading.

<http://assyrianchristians.com/i_was_wrong_mar_26_03.htm>


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Sun Mar 30 05:36:37 2003
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Subject: Re: You gotta love the French
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"Sagebrush" <sagebrush@pobox.com> writes:

> It is endlessly silly to criticize the French.  All of Europe and
> most of Asia, Africa, North and South America (including Mexico and
> Canada) and needless to say the Middle East are opposed to this
> stupid war.

"All of Europe"?  Nonsense.  Last time I checked (before the action
started), twenty-one countries in Europe were backing the coalition,
five were completely neutral, and five were against.  I suspect those
number have gotten even more lopsided in favor now.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Sun Mar 30 07:56:02 2003
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jstone9352@aol.com (JSTONE9352) writes:

> >All of Europe"?  Nonsense.  Last time I checked (before the action
> >started), twenty-one countries in Europe were backing the coalition,
> >five were completely neutral, and five were against.  I suspect those
> >number have gotten even more lopsided in favor now.

> Backing mostly in a verbal sense but no important contribution of
> money or troops to the cause.  They would rather go on record in
> favor so as to stay on the good side of the US in future business
> relationships etc.

Even risking the disapproval of the mighty French?  Wow.  

The point is, no matter how you slice it, the assertion that "all of
Europe is against the war" is a lie, and reasonable people shouldn't
repeat it.  That's all.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Tue Apr  1 15:55:36 2003
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Carol Flynt <carol@cflynt.com> writes:

> No.  And I supported the action against Afghanistan.
> But it was a response, not a first strike.

> The war with Iraq is of a different order.  The
> first war of choice.  So the questions of how
> one arrived at this choice are, imo, valid.

Yes, I hope to have grandchildren some day, so I can gather them
around and tell them about the great Serbian assault on the shores of
New Jersey that drew us into the war in Yugoslavia.  Not to mention
the time JFK ordered the Bay of Pigs attack after Cuba launched those
nukes at Miami.

But seriously, folks, Bill Whittle has a tremendous piece on
preemption and history at
<http://www.ejectejecteject.com/archives/000039.html>.  It's long, but
very worth reading.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Tue Apr  1 16:09:09 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Will Fox news be "fair and balanced" in covering Geraldo debacle?
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yrret@sbcglobal.net (Terryo) writes:

> Yeah, but which is which?  Let's see....  I guess the traitor would
> be the one who revealed troop positions.  So that would be
> Geraldo.......

I can't stand Geraldo, but I'd leave it up to the troops that he's
traveling with.  If they think he endangered them in any way, they
should be allowed to bury him up to his neck in the sand and leave him
there.

Somehow, though, I think most soldiers would rank the guy who travels
with the troops but gets overzealous in his desire to report what's
happening over the guy who hangs out in the enemy capital and provides
the despots there with political cover and support.  Just a guess.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Thu Apr  3 15:57:04 2003
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Joe Ottoson <grover@landfill.net> writes:

> > Education in this country was doing just fine, until the Govt got
> > involved that is...

> When was this? 1740?

1850.  Literacy rates have been dropping ever since.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Thu Apr  3 16:49:31 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Family Matters pilot question
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et472@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Michael Black) writes:

> What I can't remember is how much reference to the other show was
> made, and how much of this is just background material that we read
> about before the show began.  Obviously, the same actress kept the
> same Harriett name when she went to Family Matters.  But I don't
> recall any mention of her job in Family Matters.

Her job was mentioned at least once, when she lost it.  Might have
been in the pilot; I'm not sure.


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Aaron

From nobody Thu Apr  3 17:10:51 2003
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stancnp@aol.com (Stancnp) writes:

> I see quite a few images on the news of Iraqis giving American
> soldiers the thumbs-up sign, including CBS Evening News last
> night. But I've heard only one TV source (Good Morning America)
> suggest that in Iraq it is an obscene gesture.
> Also found this recent Slate article:
> http://slate.msn.com/id/2080812/
> Has any other network discussed this?

I don't watch much TV news, but it was certainly discussed in print
and in the blogosphere.  Two things I've read:

When it's used as an obscene gesture, it's done with an upward
thrusting motion.  

Locals have said that they remembered this cultural difference from
the first war with Iraq, so it stuck in their minds as a way to
communicate with US troops.  Kinda like the way a really "white"
character on a TV show, when finding himself surrounded by black
people, will say something embarrassing like "Wassup?" to try to fit
in.

Besides, surely they get reruns of Happy Days over there.  Don't tell
me they're watching *nothing* but Baywatch and proclamations from
Saddam.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Thu Apr  3 17:25:30 2003
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Subject: Re: Massive Shakeup in U.S. TV News!
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Bill Fischer <billfischermd@netscape.net> writes:

> Hey. What really happened to Geraldo? Is he out or is he still in?

He's still in. He was hiking his way south, when he conquered a small
village near the southern border by shaming all the men there with the
power of his superior mustache. He took all their wives (and some of
the handsomer young men) for his personal harem, and is living happily
ever after, having changed his name (again) to Gezzaldo Al-Rivera.


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Aaron

From nobody Fri Apr  4 07:11:54 2003
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level42galaga@aol.comNONONO (Phil from Chicago) writes:

> it wasn't in the pilot but it was either in the first or second
> seasons.  While I liked the show up the episode which was loosely
> based on "back to the future" I thought the final season was
> terrible and the actress who previously played Harriette was outsted
> and the actress who played Gina's mom on "Martin" (I can't remember
> her name) played Hariette I think for the last 3 or 4 episodes
> including the poorly written finale

I never saw the last few seasons.  I stopped watching when the Stefan
character became a regular, and most of the plot-lines went from
funny-goofy to just stupid-goofy.


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Aaron

From nobody Fri Apr  4 17:03:32 2003
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RogerM <rodger.mckay@ns.sympatico.ca> writes:

> GetRichQuick712 wrote:
> > Yea, i know how much everyone out there hates us AOLers, but i
> > think it's doing just fine for me

> Not everyone hates you.

Yes we do.


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Aaron

From nobody Fri Apr  4 17:47:30 2003
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Subject: Re: Best and worst commercials now
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kenny@panix.com (Kenneth Crudup) writes:

> My two "bests": the one beer commercial where the guy is trying to
> attach a note to the girl's door with the outstretched duct tape
> while holding a knife in his hand, [snip]

That is a good one.  My favorite has to be the Dairy Council one,
with the family that comes down Christmas morning to find a room
packed full of stuff, and the curly-haired little girl who says, "I
didn't give him cookies; I gave him cheeeeeeze."  Her grin cracks me
up every time.


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Aaron

From nobody Sat Apr  5 04:13:55 2003
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rhfan88888@aol.comhatespam (Peter J.) writes:

> As cheesy awful as Star Search, at least it's fun. I watched a few
> minutes of NBC's version last week and this week and it's so
> cheapjack, dull, and uncomfortable. I wonder if they threw this idea
> together in 3 or 4 minutes.

More like 3-4 seconds.  How long does it take to say, "Let's do
exactly what CBS is doing, except all with little kids to push the
cuteness factor to the limit"?


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Sat Apr  5 14:51:49 2003
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Sandy McDermin <smcdermin@erols.com> writes:

> Yes, it was an ad for monster.com, and one of my favorite
> commercials too -- mostly because it not only did its primary job
> but it was sort of a societal statement.

A lot of funny ads came out of the Internet boom, when so many online
startup companies had money to burn and plenty of attitude.  Some of
the sock-puppet ones for Pets.com were great.  I also loved the series
of Ameritrade ads with the obnoxious red-haired kid, especially the
one where the older broker's daughter says, "I want to have his
babies."


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Aaron

From nobody Sat Apr  5 15:08:08 2003
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Subject: Re: Jessica Lynch, freed "POW"
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wishy13764@aol.com (Wishy13764) writes:

> When will we see the tv movie of her escape? and the talk show
> visits. God Bless her, but she made it..others are not. If one is
> going tomake a movie, then it should be about that soldier that
> threw the grenade in the tent and killed 2 of his 'buddies'.

Radical Muslims kill people every day.  This is the first rescue of a
US POW in something like 40+ years.  I'd say the latter is just a
*slightly* bigger story.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Mon Apr  7 16:52:42 2003
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Bush Busta <BushBusta@America.com> writes:

> Another Ditto-monkey lie.
> 
> Columnist Molly Ivins reported 

Haha!  I don't know whether the story about Rush is true, but I sure
wouldn't use Ivins as a source of facts about Republicans.  Ivins
doesn't report; she opines.  That's like quoting the Iraqi Information
Minister for information about the war effort.


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Aaron

From nobody Tue Apr  8 07:35:09 2003
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Michael Rogers <miker@rochester.rr.com> writes:

> Look, it doesn't take much for a "urban myth" to develop that is
> accepted by left and right alike. 

Yep.  Especially when the myth fits into people's expectations, like
the one about Ashcroft ordering the statue covered up.

Seems to me that if this happened on Rush's TV show, someone out there
should have a video clip of it.  After all, FAIR long ago made it
their mission to chronicle every single word Rush speaks, in order to
catch every falsehood and misstatement.  I can't believe that they
wouldn't have run down a copy of this when it happened, in which case
it would be appearing on many anti-Rush web sites.

So I guess I'm willing to believe it, but I'll need to see it first.
Multiple references to a Molly Ivins quote don't cut it for me.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Tue Apr  8 18:13:23 2003
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Arthur Lipscomb <aalipscomb@ucdavis.edu> writes:

> > Yep.  Especially when the myth fits into people's expectations,
> > like the one about Ashcroft ordering the statue covered up.

> I read plenty about this in the papers.  For example:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1788845.stm
> 
> Do you have a source that confirms this was only a myth?

No, I wasn't there, but I can offer my own anecdotal evidence, from
stories like this one:
<http://www.nationalreview.com/flashback/flashback-nordlinger072402.asp>.

    The Breast was pretty quiet during the eight years of Janet
    Reno. As one peeved administration official puts it, "No cameraman
    was ever at Reno's feet, trying to get a shot of her with that
    thing." But Minnie Lou's outstanding feature stormed back with
    Ashcroft. When President Bush visited the Justice Department to
    rededicate the building to Robert Kennedy, his advance men
    insisted on a nice blue backdrop: "TV blue," infinitely preferable
    to the usual dingy background of the Great Hall. Everyone thought
    the backdrop worked nicely -- made for "good visuals," as they
    say. This was Deaverism, pure and simple. Ashcroft's people
    intended to keep using it.

    An advance woman on his team had the bright idea of buying the
    backdrop: It would be cheaper than renting it repeatedly. So she
    did -- without Ashcroft's knowledge, without his permission,
    without his caring, everyone in the department insists.

    But ABC put out the story that Ashcroft, the old prude, had wanted
    the Breast covered up, so much did it offend his churchly
    sensibilities. New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd, ever clever,
    wrote that Ashcroft had forced a "blue burka" on Minnie
    Lou. Comedians had a field day (and are still having it). The
    Washington Post has devoted great space to the story, letting
    Cher, for example, tee off on it -- as she went on to do on David
    Letterman's show.

    And yet the story is complete and total bunk. First, Ashcroft had
    nothing to do with the purchase of the backdrop. Second, the
    backdrop had nothing to do with Breast aversion. But the story was
    just "too good to check," as we say, and it will probably live
    forever. Generations from now, if we're reading about John
    Ashcroft, we will read that he was the boob who draped the
    Boob. The story is ineffaceable.

So everyone at the Justice Dept. says it's a myth.  Who knows.  My
point is that when a story comes out that fits our pre-conceived
beliefs, we'll eat it up without any proof.  We all know Ashcroft is
some sort of strict fundamentalist Christian, and we know from
countless movies and TV shows that those people have 'issues' with sex
and nudity.  So the story of DrapeGate comes out, and we all say "Of
course!" and it becomes instant dogma.  Notice that the backdrop was
originally put up for a Bush speech, but the myth doesn't work with
Bush as the bad guy, since the image of Bush that we're given is such
that he probably appreciates a bare breast here and there.  So
Ashcroft gets stuck with the honors.

That's why I'm skeptical of the Rush story.  Not that I think Rush
couldn't have made a rude and tasteless joke -- hardly.  It just fits
the image of nasty mean conservatives so perfectly that the truth or
falsehood of it has little to do with whether people will believe it
or not.  

A whole cottage industry has grown up around the purpose of catching
Rush in lies, so if they want me to believe this story, all they have
to do is produce a 15-second vidcap of it.  If that can't be done, I'd
say that's pretty significant evidence that it didn't happen.


-- 
Aaron
<http://aaron.baugher.pike.il.us/off-topic/archives/000018.html>

From nobody Wed Apr  9 19:13:16 2003
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Subject: Re: We're Waiting Ms. Garafalo...
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mpoconnor7@aol.comnojunk (Mpoconnor7) writes:

> Even though I support the conflict, and have all along, she is one
> of the few celeb anti-war protesters who actually made some sense.

I'm not sure she made any sense, but I got the feeling she actually
studied the situation and made up her own mind about it, instead of
just parroting the party line like so many celebs do.  Gotta respect
that.

Or maybe I'm just inclined to give her a pass because she gives me a
<beavis>special feeling</beavis>.


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Aaron

From nobody Thu Apr 10 09:45:46 2003
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lazarus <lazarus33pjf@cox.net> writes:

> Of course, out of a city of 5 million, they managed to get less than
> a hundred people out partying.  Wonder where everybody else is?

Might as well suck it up and admit you were wrong. At least you had
plenty of distinguished company; Andrew Sullivan is already piling up
Von Hoffman Awards.

The Iraqis -- those that didn't have a vested interest in the
Ba'athist regime -- *are* happy about our presence. They *are* dancing
in the streets, and they *are* waving American flags when they can get
them. Most distressing, they *are* singing the praises of George
Bush. (Great line from Lileks today, by the way:

   Can you imagine the parties in Baghdad this week? Hospitals had
   best make a rubber stamp that says GEORGE, because nine months from
   now they're going to use it on every other birth certificate.)

Once again, we see that people the world over -- even those who don't
share much economically, religiously, or culturally -- all desire
freedom. We've also seen that a tyrannical regime can suppress the
display of those desires so completely that the rest of the world can
pretend they don't exist. This stuff shouldn't surprise us anymore.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Thu Apr 10 10:28:18 2003
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weberm@polaris.net (Ubiquitous) writes:

> Jerry Rivers is Geraldo's real name.

You're almost half right.  His Puerto-Rican father and Jewish mother
named him Gerald Rivera at birth.  He was mostly called Jerry as a
kid.  When a TV station hired him to cover Hispanic issues for a news
show, the director suggested that he use the name Geraldo, saying,
"Gerald? It's not very Puerto Rican, is it?"

More details in this fairly unflattering article:
<http://www.nationalreview.com/flashback/flashback-miller010302.shtml>.


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Aaron

From nobody Thu Apr 10 17:01:20 2003
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bluffs_webbie@webtv.net (David Johnson) writes:

> Friday night (4/11), Fox is running a two-hour I.Q test hosted by
> Leeza Gibbons.  The TV Guide Close-Up listing caught my attention,
> and I tested myself on the sample question it lists:

> Which one does not fit with the others--

> a. Chair
> b. Table
> c. Lamp
> d. Cupboard

> I guessed Cupboard, since that's what you find in a kitchen and a
> Chair, Table (as in coffee or end) and Lamp can be found in a living
> room.  At the end of the listing, they said the correct answer was
> Lamp, "...but you knew that".  No I didn't.  Now I'm burdened with
> wondering if they were just being sarcastic and (as usual) I wasn't
> aware of it, or if I'm really as dumb as everyone said I was some 35
> years ago.  This is scary.

I might have guessed C, but it's definitely not obvious.  It could be
D because the others are all furniture that can be moved around.  It
could be B because it's the only word with two consecutive letters of
the alphabet in order.  It could be D because it's the only one that
doesn't form a new word when you remove the first letter.  It could be
A because it's the only one that forms new words when you remove the
first letter and the first two letters.  It could be D because you
don't normally store stuff in the others.  And so on.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Fri Apr 11 06:48:51 2003
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Jack Ak <akjack@excite.com> writes:

> A lamp is furniture? 

I'd consider a floor lamp to be furniture -- it sits on the floor and
has to be moved to vacuum.  There are also lamp/night table
combinations.

> All but lamp typicallly hold or store things.  A lamp can
> illuminate, while the others can't.

I've seen cupboards with lights.

I agree that lamp doesn't "fit" as well as the others, but whenever
I've taken an IQ test, the answers have been more cut-and-dried than
this one.  It seems like an especially odd choice for a sample
question that they want everyone to get easily.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Fri Apr 11 06:56:25 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
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jennastan@aol.comBOOSPAM (JennaStan) writes:

> She looks more like Granny Clampett each week. The teeth, the
> mouth...

> I hope she's faking being this stupid because if she isn't then she
> must be the laughing stock of her school.

I know quite a few people who went to school in southern Missouri.
I'm sure she fits right in.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Fri Apr 11 06:58:17 2003
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Subject: Re: The coolest commercial of all time?
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kenny@panix.com (Kenneth Crudup) writes:

> "RA" <usenet2@freetoys.com> says:
> >It was the one where they used the song Lennon wrote; "Revolution".
> >Many people considered it sacreligious to commericalize an
> >important political tune like that.

> <snort>

> It's a DAMN SONG!

Hear, hear.  Isn't "important political tune" an oxymoron, like "swiss
cheese"?


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Sat Apr 12 08:09:35 2003
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Subject: Re: Agent of Influence
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rgorman@telusplanet.net (David Johnston) writes:

> Most of you will never see this made for Canadian TV movie about a
> Canadian diplomat who was accused by the CIA of being a Russian spy.
> But I have to wonder what the point of a show like this is.
> Historical drama compensates for knowing how it's going to end by
> filling in details, but the point with this story is that nobody
> even knows what really happened.  They have to entirely make it up.
> So what's the appeal?

I'll take a stab:  because it portrays Canada-good, USA-bad?  I know
nothing about it, so that's a total guess.  If I'm right, we'll
probably see it down here soon on PBS or Lifetime.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Sun Apr 13 17:44:21 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: OT: People Magazine
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paradoxseas@aol.com (Paradoxseas) writes:

> I was a 20 year subscriber,but recently StOPPED my subscribtion
> since all their articles seemed to be below "Enquirer" standards
> (imo) of reporting?

It took you twenty years to notice this?


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Mon Apr 14 09:51:55 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
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"Draxen" <jack@SPAMTRAPjudgement.no-ip.com> writes:

> That article doesn't seem to be online at nyt.com can anyone give
> any more details ??

I'm still finding it here:
<http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/11/opinion/11JORD.html>.  


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Mon Apr 14 15:33:59 2003
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hudsongrl@aol.com (HudsonGrl) writes:

> true. wonder what Limbaugh even talks about, now that we have a
> republican president?

These days, the war, I'd assume.  I listened to him a lot back in
1991-1992.  His show was a lot of fun then, with all the update themes
for various things.  Timber updates (chainsaw music), Barney Frank
updates (My Boy Lollipop), Ted Kennedy updates (I'm a Philanderer),
animal rights updates (Born Free overlaid with gunfire), and so on.
He was still an outsider politically, so he didn't take himself too
seriously, and he usually didn't beat any one issue to death for too
long.

Once Clinton was elected, and especially after the list of scandals
grew and impeachment loomed, Rush's show often became a 3-hour
diatribe about Clinton, which just wasn't nearly as much fun.  Also,
it seemed like that's when he started feeling like he had some
political influence, so he had to be more serious about trying to
convince people.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Wed Apr 16 06:56:46 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: TNN to become Spike TV
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poisoned rose <billw1218@aol.com> writes:

> I saw this story on CNN....

Ah, so it's just a hoax from the Iraq Information Ministry.  That's a
relief.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Fri Apr 18 11:13:43 2003
Newsgroups: alt.movies,alt.showbiz.gossip,rec.arts.tv,alt.gossip.celebrities
Subject: Re: Sarandon and Robbins at the Axis of Weasel: veterans benefits
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dennmac@InfoAveExtraneous.Net (Dennis McGee) writes:

> Robbins would not have used the BHOF apppearance as a "soapbox" for
> his views on Iraq or any other political issue. He was invited to
> talk about the making of Bull Durham and that's what he would have
> talked about.

Oh, come on.  Of course they would have used it as a soapbox.  I'm
sure they would have been classier than Michael Moore about it and it
would have been a minor portion of their words, but I can't imagine
them not mentioning the war at all.  Robbins and Sarandon are
well-known political activists; their political views are part of the
package you get when they step in front of a microphone.  In fact, if
they believe everything they say, it'd be wrong for them to have the
opportunity to spread their message and *not* use it.

That's like inviting Bob Barker to give the speech at your high school
graduation and just assuming he won't use the phrase "spay and
neuter."


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Fri Apr 18 11:33:47 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: "Will & Grace" gets long-term deal
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bicker 2003 <1NVAL1D> writes:

> If it wasn't funny, so many people wouldn't be watching it, and it
> wouldn't be winning so many awards.

I can think of lots of reasons besides funniness why people might
watch a show: hipness, liking a particular actor, wanting to be in on
the conversation about it at the office the next morning, etc.  Awards
are about all sorts of things, mostly unrelated to the actual quality
of the show.

> Sorry that you have trouble seeing how funny it is, though.

I don't care for it myself, but I can see why people who like that
sort of thing like it.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Fri Apr 18 11:51:03 2003
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Subject: Re: Scrubs Rocked Last Night - They Saved The Best For Last
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DinkyBossetti@earthlink.net writes:

> Last night's show was firing on all cylinders. Scrubs is usually
> mostly hit sometimes miss for me but the season ender was first rate
> all the way.

Yes, this may be my favorite episode yet (keeping in mind that I
haven't seen all of the first season).  It occurred to me afterwards
that this is probably because they finally wrapped up all the
sappy relationship plots that were distracting from the other stuff.
This was a solid half-hour of alternatingly funny and poignant.

I gotta say, though, that too many of JD's dream scenes go on way too
long for me.  JD imagining his dream job as the Chocolate King or
whatever was funny for a few seconds, but by the time he was chewing
on Turk's hand, I was saying, "Okay, I get it, get on with it
already."

NBC had better renew this show.  I think Scrubs may be the first new
show I've gone out of my way to watch since News Radio ended.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Tue Apr 22 05:31:49 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: NBC (GE) Pulls the Plug on Robbins
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kbuck40088@aol.comnospam (KBuck40088) writes:

> >From: Scott P quimby2@ix.netcom.com 
> >The media seems to forget half the country was against the war. 

> Half? Care to cite sources to that? Numbers that I saw were more
> like 65-70% in favor.

Before the war, some pollsters were able to get 50-50 numbers or worse
by begging the question.  They might ask a question like, "Do you
support going to war now, or should we get UN approval first?"  That
implies that UN approval is possible, so the reasonable respondent who
doesn't follow the news closely will think, "Sure, why not get UN
approval first?"  Then that response is reported as anti-war.

There's no point in paying much attention to a poll unless you know
exactly what the question was.


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Aaron

From nobody Tue Apr 22 06:07:20 2003
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Carol Flynt <carol@cflynt.com> writes:

> Sorry to rain on yours.  There were several
> journalistic recounts.  In all but one,
> Gore won.

You know, it's not that hard to look this stuff up.  We have the
technology.

> From USA Today 
<http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2001-04-03-floridamain.htm>:

   George W. Bush would have won a hand count of Florida's disputed
   ballots if the standard advocated by Al Gore had been used, the
   first full study of the ballots reveals. Bush would have won by
   1,665 votes -- more than triple his official 537-vote margin -- if
   every dimple, hanging chad and mark on the ballots had been counted
   as votes, a USA TODAY/Miami Herald/Knight Ridder study shows. The
   study is the first comprehensive review of the 61,195 "undervote"
   ballots that were at the center of Florida's disputed presidential
   election.

> From CNN
<http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/florida.ballots/stories/main.html>:

   Using the NORC [National Opinion Research Center at the University
   of Chicago] data, the media consortium examined what might have
   happened if the U.S. Supreme Court had not intervened. The Florida
   high court had ordered a recount of all undervotes that had not
   been counted by hand to that point. If that recount had proceeded
   under the standard that most local election officials said they
   would have used, the study found that Bush would have emerged with
   493 more votes than Gore.

   Suppose that Gore got what he originally wanted -- a hand recount
   in heavily Democratic Broward, Palm Beach, Miami-Dade and Volusia
   counties. The study indicates that Gore would have picked up some
   additional support but still would have lost the election -- by a
   225-vote margin statewide.

That's two studies.  Finding more is left as an exercise for the
reader.

> There were two particularly ironic results.

> By one "recount", which simulated the partial recount 
> as Gore originally requested, Bush won.  I.e., if 
> Bush had just given Gore his recount as requested, he would
> have won and the whole thing would have ended right there.

Hard to say, since Gore's team demanded different recounts at
different times, depending on the way the manual recounts were going.
You're also assuming that a recount done by the election judges in
those counties would have come up with the same totals as a
non-partisan media study, which is a huge assumption.

> By another "recount," the one that the Right
> said would be the *only* fair recount, i.e.,
> of the entire state, Gore won.  

Possibly, but at that point the difference becomes so statistically
insignificant that it's really a tie.  That's the real lesson of the
2000 election -- when you have a "tie", there are always going to be
enough screwed up ballots, confused voters, and votes from dead people
and felons to sway the results either way, no matter how user-friendly
the ballot machines are.  That's why you have to follow the rules that
are in place *before* the election regarding recounts and final dates
for counting.  If you ignore those, it becomes a never-ending process.

Anyone who thinks it's possible to *know* who got the most votes must
not have watched any of the footage of the manual recounts.  There
would be three people going through the disputed ballots one-by-one,
with loads of TV cameras pointed at them and several watchers from
both parties looking over their shoulders -- still they didn't always
see the same things on the ballot.  

> I'm afraid the 2000 election will be a bone of
> contention for a very long time.

I hope so, since it's proving to be a distraction for the Left to
equal Clinton's scandals for the Right.

> But it sure was a civics-lesson-in-action
> at the time, wasn't it!

Not a very good one, but sadly, a realistic one.  It mostly reinforced
the notion that when you aren't happy with the laws on the books, you
can always find a court to help you out.  It would have been a better
civics lesson if the FL legislature had put the smack-down on the FL
Supreme Court and made it clear they had no business trying to rewrite
clear election rules.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Tue Apr 22 06:16:52 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Scrubs (was Re: Nielsen Ratings Discrepancies)
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archang@sfu.ca (Andrew Ryan Chang) writes:

> So, Scrubs is doing ~80% retention, better than anything else in
> that timeslot in years.  Why did their season end already?  Why
> aren't they going to sweeps with new episodes?

It's my fault.  Every time I really, really like a show, it's doomed
to be under-promoted, confusingly scheduled, and prematurely canceled
by network execs who don't understand it.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Sat Apr 26 21:15:59 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: What happened to Mr. Sterling
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ACP <acpearce@io.com> writes:

> If it was cancelled, why?  It was the most accurate view of DC,
> I've ever seen.   Oh, maybe THAT's why -- finally, a show that
> got too close to the truth and so there was pressure from the 
> people in power, to cancel it??

Yeah, that was it.  Fictional TV shows are known for their deadly
accurate portrayals of real life.  Now that you exposed this nefarious
deed, they'll be coming for you next.

My guess is we only need one West Wing -- if that many.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Mon Apr 28 17:47:27 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: What TV show had first internet reference?
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"Rick" <72242.3603@compuserve.com> writes:

> Other than news and documentary type shows, what regular TV series
> had the earliest specific reference to the internet?  I'm guessing
> it could have been an early X-Files episode with the Lone Gunmen,
> but that is strictly a guess.  Any other ideas?

Magnum and Higgins communicated over some sort of computer network in
the 1986 "Mad Dogs and Englishmen" episode of Magnum p.i.  I don't
think they specifically mentioned the Internet, since no-one would
have known what they meant then.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Tue Apr 29 06:27:43 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Scott Ritter on C-Span
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Polar <smeric@mindspring.com> writes:

> What's all this about underage solicitation?  Is this electronic
> character assassinatin, or does someone have FACTS to post?

Google is your friend.  A quick search for "Scott Ritter underage
soliciting" turned up this link, among many:

   <http://stacks.msnbc.com/local/wnyt/m264375.asp>

Money quote:

   However, that might not have been Ritter's first brush with the
   law.  According to the Albany Times Union, two months before that
   arrest, Ritter tried to meet a 14-year-old girl he chatted with
   online and was instead met by police officers. The newspaper
   reports that he was released without being charged.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Wed Apr 30 06:48:13 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
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riud@email.com (WQ) writes:

> --- The difference between "Scrubs" and "Richter" is that the former
> strains awfully hard and manipulatively so to be clever, witty,
> fanciful, offbeat, etc., while with "Richter" it all seems to come
> about so naturally.

I haven't seen Richter, but Scrubs feels pretty natural to me.  The
cast seems very comfortable together.  The only episodes of Scrubs
that haven't been excellent have been ones that focused too much on
romances with guest stars.

> It's like this: "Scrubs" knows it doesn't have a
> plot each week,

Nonsense.  It has 2-3 plots -- sometimes ongoing arcs -- in every
episode, just like every other sitcom.

> so it goes overboard on all the shenanigans to make up for it;
> whereas "Richter" had a plot each week and worked with the jokes
> inherent in it and was even able to further the humor from it.
> That's the way it strikes me between the two.  Maybe it's also
> personal, but there's something a little more grounded and
> identifiable with the absurdities of "Andy's" world than the one in
> "Scrubs", and it's not because I write defense manuals for a living,
> which I don't.

I disagree completely on Scrubs, but you guys are making me wish I'd
caught Andy Richter's show while it was on.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Wed Apr 30 16:32:44 2003
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Polar <smeric@mindspring.com> writes:

> On 30 Apr 2003 07:36:22 -0700, savefarris@msn.com (DanRydell) wrote:

> >We've had "control" of the county for about 2 weeks.  Before the
> >hostilities started, Blix was asking for an additional 6 MONTHS.
> >Is it unreasonable to give US WMD seekers the same amount of time
> >to search, while continuing to fight pockets of resistance mind
> >you, before you call Iraq's WMD program a hoax?

> Specious argument.  

> Professional inspectors are different from untrained military.

True.  No-one was shooting at the inspectors, and they supposedly had
the cooperation of the guys who were building the things in the first
place.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Thu May  1 16:56:26 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Watching Ellie:  Should be after Friends
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"Ryan" <spookyrappingcrypt@yahoo.com> writes:

> Too bad this can't be the show that's "sandwiched" in between
> Friends and Will&Grace next year.  I wonder how big of a retention
> WE would have from Friends?

If you like the show, you don't want it there.  That just guarantees
that it'll be preempted now and then for extra repeats of Friends,
pushed around in the schedule to make room for 'super-sized' episodes
of things, and scheduled out of sweeps month entirely.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Fri May  2 04:08:36 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Deborah on Everybody Loves Raymond
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schumy2@lycos.com (schumy) writes:

> There are tons of rightie celebs in Hollywood, from Arnold to Heston
> to Mary Hart.

Yeah, tons of them.  That's why whenever someone tries to make this
argument, he has to haul out the same old handful of names.  


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Aaron

From nobody Fri May  2 08:40:18 2003
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"manhn" <manhn@home.com> writes:

> And I don't get why fans of scrubs are so upset--were there fewer
> episodes shown than usual? If not, then why does it matter that you
> saw the eps on a March rather than a May?

Because during sweeps there would be a bigger potential audience,
and it would be sandwiched between more highly promoted episodes of
other shows, thus generating higher ratings, thus making it more
likely to be renewed for another season.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Fri May  2 14:44:41 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: TWW: Sorkin Leaves TWW
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"Natasha" <starword@attbiNOSPAM.com> writes:

> Hmm. Any thought--expressed publicly by anyone, or suspected
> privately by any of you--that this was political in motive? That
> Sorkin, and the depiction of political views on the show, were too
> "liberal" in the eyes of the network...or from higher up?

It was always liberal.  Ratings are down, and Sorkin seems to lose
interest in projects and become a pain after a couple years.  You
don't need to find more reasons than those.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Wed May  7 12:03:21 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Emeril re-signs with Food Net
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"Ian J. Ball" <ijball***SPAM-No***@mac.com.invalid> writes:

> My mother vows that "Emeril Live!" is the problem. He's apparently
> much better in "Essence of Emeril"...

Yeah, I thought he was good back before anyone had heard of him, when
he was just another guy cooking in front of the camera with no
audience.  He was actually quite subdued then, but the food all looked
good.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Thu May  8 20:41:25 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Chris Kattan leaves SNL
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poisoned rose <billw1218@aol.com> writes:

> It was time for him to go, anyway. All his characters were totally 
> worn-out. Well, except for the pseudo-goth kid...always wished Kattan 
> had tried that a few more times, instead of those deadly unfunny 
> Peepers/Mango skits.

Peepers was funny, dammit.  Besides, any character that gets you into
a skit where you get half-naked and sandwiched between a writhing
Charlize Theron and Molly Shannon is simply brilliant, by definition.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Fri May  9 04:37:05 2003
Newsgroups: alt.tv.nick-at-nite,rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Nick@Nite Upfront 2003 -- Who's the Boss?, Roseanne, Full House,  Fresh Prince, etc.
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"Paul Melville Austin" <paul.austin@myboomerang.com.au> writes:

> what is it that makes shows that were hits "in their time" like you
> mentioned, so damm cringe-worthy now?

I thought these were all pretty cringe-worthy when they were new.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Sat May 10 22:11:09 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: buy/trade all my children march 2001
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maryilee@aol.comnojunk (Maryilee) writes:

> Okay, am I the only one that did a double take upon reading the
> subject line?

Nope.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Fri May 16 07:00:28 2003
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"The Widower Scally" <mourningnoonan@night.net> writes:

> "Scrubs" - blows too much of the "Friends'" lead-in, juvenile
> writing, can't anchor an hour once "Friends" leaves, overrated

You're accusing "Scrubs" of being juvenile in the same sentence where
you mention "Friends"?

Scrubs is the only thing on TV that I watch regularly now, but I'm of
two minds about the time-slot.  I realize following "Friends" is good
for ratings, but it also creates unreasonably high expectations like
yours about lead-in retention.

Besides, I can't imagine that there's a lot of overlap between fans of
the two shows -- just the opposite, in fact.  (Probably not much
overlap between fans of "Scrubs" and "Will and Grace," either.)  If
the type of people who would like "Scrubs" have spent the last several
years learning to avoid NBC on Thursday nights, that's going to make
it hard for the show to build a solid fan-base that'll keep it going
once the ratings bubble from "Friends" goes away.

> "Still Standing" - a flimsy cobbled-together rip-off of both
> "Raymond" and "Yes, Dear," blew too much of the "Raymond" lead-in,
> "The King of Queens" followed by "Yes, Dear" serves the lineup
> better than "Yes, Dear" followed by it

Yep.  "Still Standing" makes "Yes, Dear" look like a smart show.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Sat May 17 07:04:16 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Survivor: Jenna? You gotta be kidding me!
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corwin2@aol.comamber (Corwin2) writes:

> >Matt was shown saying that he threw the block-standing challenge as
> >a strategic move.

> IMHO, he would have lost anyways.  

> But he did quit too early.  I think both Jenna and Rob saw it.

Yes, I think he would have been better off just stepping down
immediately and feeding the jury some pap like, "These two have played
so hard and been such good friends over the last few days that I don't
want to have to choose between them."  By throwing it but pretending
to try, he just added to his 'dishonest' rep, which for some reason
was the jury's big issue.

Not that I think it would have mattered in the final result, but it
might have saved him a vote or two.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Sun May 18 16:09:01 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Would Someone Please ~KILL~ The Person Who Invented WebTV?   __ 51dIOvtWIf
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OsamaBinUsenet-AL_Rahavan Daoud bin Gulari@agypgece.ac.id writes:

> .. and torture to within an inch of his life, the asshole that
> allows them to post to newsgroups?

Your ideas intrigue me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. 
  -- Homer Simpson


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Thu May 22 07:22:13 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Sci-Fi plans animated series
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dimlan17@yahoo.com (David) writes:

> from toonzone.net
> 
> Sci-Fi Sets First Ever Animated Series for January 2004   
> by Pavanbadal 
> 
> Location: Linden, NJ  Gina Gershon, [snip]

Gina Gershon's going to star in a show and we don't get to look at
her?  That's just wrong.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Sat May 24 06:43:37 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: John Stewart on Charlie make me throw up Rose..
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"Mac Breck" <macbreck@access995.com> writes:

> I'm a Republican who's a fan of Jon Stewart and The Daily Show.  I
> watch it whenever I can.  Guess, I'm just not a member of "the
> guard."

I call dibs on your share of the Iraqi oil.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Wed May 28 07:54:55 2003
Newsgroups: alt.tv.survivor
Subject: Re: OT: American Idol final show (and hi LunaJean!)
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"Bunny" <bunny7789@home.com> writes:

> On what servers is this? It's not on comcast and it's not on
> easynews.  If it's not on easynews, it can't be a very well
> propagated group if it exists at all.  This is the first reference
> I've seen to an existence of an American Idol newsgroup.  I'd love
> it if someone would actually create one that propagates normally.

I pull groups from ispnews.com and slurp.net, and they both have it.
Many news servers don't add alt groups automatically, because so many
bogus ones are created.  If you write to your news provider and tell
them they're missing a popular group, there's a good chance they'll
add it.

> I came here specifically to find posts about AI, this being
> Survivor's off season.  So meh to the guy who objects, hehe.
> Seriously, though, I don't see the harm of some AI posts here when

[WARNING:  Much pedantic lecturing ahead!  I'm using this post as
an opportunity to make some points about off-topic posting that may
have nothing to do with you.  It's not personal!  I repeat:  NOT
PERSONAL!  Okay, you may proceed now.]

"Harm" is probably too strong a word; I'd go with "undesirable."  For
a few reasons.  First of all, as you say:

> the Survivor talk is thin when the show isn't even on and there's
> not much Survivor related to really talk about anyway.

But that's the worst time for off-topic posts.  When there are just a
few OT posts mixed in with dozens or hundreds of on-topic ones, it's
not that big a deal to skip them.  The signal-to-noise ratio is still
good.  When regular traffic dies down for some reason, it becomes a
hassle to wade through the OT stuff to find the good posts.

It's also bad for you, the off-topic poster, because you're posting in
a place where most of the other users don't care to read your work,
and those who would like to read it will miss it.  Instead of talking
about AI with a half-dozen other fans here, you could take part in the
much busier conversation about AI over in rec.arts.tv.  (Rec.arts.tv
is the place for discussion of any TV show that doesn't have its own
group.)  By going to the trouble to find the proper newsgroup for your
posts, you can make sure they are read and replied to by the greatest
possible number of interested people, and isn't that what Usenet is
all about?

Which leads to another reason most people aren't aware of.  My
newsreader does something called 'adaptive scoring.'  This means that
it learns about my preferences and only shows me the posts I'll want
to read.  It does this by keeping track of the subjects and authors of
the posts that I read and the ones that I skip, and scoring them
accordingly.  When I skip a post, its subject *and author* get small
negative scores.  If an author's score gets low enough, my newsreader
won't show me that person's posts anymore.

Kill-files, which are more common, work along the same principle,
although they're less complex and normally are handled manually.  If
someone gets tired of wading past the AI posts and just kill-files
everyone who posts to them regularly, he won't see your posts anymore
-- even when the next Survivor season starts and you go back on-topic.

Ultimately, off-topic posting is like farting in public.  It's not
illegal, and if you insist on it, there's nothing anyone can do to
stop you, but before long you'll be "expressing yourself" to an empty
room.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Sat May 31 05:44:33 2003
Newsgroups: alt.fan.tom-servo,rec.arts.tv,alt.tv.survivor
Subject: Re: (5/29) "Amazing Race 4" Mr. Hole's brief Comments (Spoiler)
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holefamily1@webtv.net (Int. Frozen Foods Expert Mr. Hole) writes:

> No. No, it was not. If you can believe it, it had to do with a
> complaint they got after I wacky laced someone's post. At east
> that's the post they send me back as the reason when I
> inquired. Btw, Google allows crossposting up to 4 groups, and I
> rarely crosspost somewhere if the post isn't ontopic in all the
> groups (at least marginally).

Maybe they occasionally ban a randomly-selected WebTV user, just on
general principles.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Sun Jun  1 06:58:40 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Why hasn't TiVo's EVIL spread very far????
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"Kristy" <Wembeley@west.cox.net> writes:

> I agree that if you don't watch a lot of TV then TIVO is not for
> you.

I wouldn't, necessarily.  I don't watch very much TV, which means that
I don't see a lot of promos, and I don't want to spend more time
digging around through TV Guide to find out when the few things I like
will be on.  Especially since my shows tend to be the ones the
networks don't care for, so they get bounced around in the schedule or
syndicated to cable where schedules are hazy at best.

So I'd love to have a system that would record those few shows I
really like and let me view them at my convenience.  It'd be great if
it would also pick up shows with certain favorite actors and
directors.  


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Sun Jun  1 07:01:02 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Why hasn't TiVo's EVIL spread very far????
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Brian Henderson <B.L.Henderson@SPAMFREE.verizon.net> writes:

> There are a few shows worth catching, but none worth changing your
> life to see.

Which is exactly the point of Tivo: recording your shows automatically
so you don't have to rearrange your life to watch them or spend time
researching when they'll be on so you can set your VCR.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Mon Jun  2 09:41:03 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: "Born To Be Wild" most overused oldie?
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"Marc Sindell" <marcus153@yahoo.com> writes:

> > >> Is "Born To Be Wild" by Steppenwolf the most overused oldie in
> > >> movies, tv shows & commercials?

> All-time greatest driving song ever in history.

Except for one day in the spring, when you drive with the windows down
and see a pretty woman wearing shorts, both for the first time in
months.  Then the best driving song is "Summertime Girls," by Y&T.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Mon Jun  9 07:31:03 2003
Newsgroups: alt.tv.survivor
Subject: Re: OT Amazing Race: Madonna Gondola  [filter:BuhByeChrisI]
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The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.com> writes:

> Any more word from the others of the top 10 posters on this
> newsgroup during Survivor Amazon that want to agree with Chris and
> the Goat?

Dunno if I'm a top-10 poster, but I'll chime in.  I agree that TAR
posts shouldn't be here, especially since alt.tv.amazing-race could
use more traffic.  If I posted there as much as I did here during S6,
I'd swamp the place.  

But we can't *stop* people from posting off-topic.  And if you piss
them off, as Chris seems to have done, some of them will just do it
more to spite you.  (Not to blame Chris personally, since I obviously
can have the same effect sometimes.  Let's see if I can draw some of
the ire away...)

As for the notion that putting OT in a Subject line makes any post
okay, well, sorry, but that's crap.  By that logic, we might as well
just have one big newsgroup, alt.everything, and put OT on every post.
The purpose of OT is to flag threads that have *strayed* off-topic, as
threads are wont to do sometimes.  If you start a brand-new thread and
you're about to put OT on it, that's a sure sign that it should be
somewhere else.

If your news server doesn't carry alt.tv.amazing-race, your
TAR-related posts belong in rec.arts.tv, where they're throughly
on-topic.  In the meantime, of course, you should badger your news
service daily to add a.t.a-r, or switch to one that doesn't treat
Usenet like the red-headed stepchild of Internet services.

It's too bad groups like these weren't created under the rec.arts.tv
hierarchy, like rec.arts.tv.mst3k.  That's a more rigorous process
than creating an alt group, but once successful, pretty much all
servers will pick up the group automatically.  With alt groups, most
servers require manual addition, and many ISP admins don't even know
how anymore.  

There was one failed attempt to create rec.arts.tv.reality, but that
was in July of 2000, when the reality-TV craze hadn't really exploded
yet, so I don't suppose people thought at the time it would be
long-lasting enough to merit a separate group.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Mon Jun  9 19:21:34 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Episodic re-runs I would watch forever
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macthevorlon@yahoo.com (macthevorlon@yahoo.com) writes:

> Actually, no.  I mean:
> http://www.epguides.com/Tick_2001/

> Warburton, Vassey and Carbonell were a hoot.
> I liked every character in that show except Arthur.

> Never seen even one frame of the cartoon series.

The live-action show was worth watching, and I wish it had lasted
longer, but the cartoon was simply great.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Tue Jun 10 07:25:27 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Test the Nation - Stupid FOX shit
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"RA" <usenet2@freetoys.com> writes:

> That's another thing.  I don't see why younger people should be
> penalized when calculating your score?

Your IQ score only rates you relative to the other people of your age
and gender, not the entire population.  A 30-year-old with a 100 IQ is
actually smarter than a 20-year-old with a 100 score.  So if you give
a single test to a group that spans different ages, you have to adjust
their scores for age.

> I could understand it if the math section included postulates..  and
> things that are fresh in their minds but older folks have
> forgotten..  but that wasn't the case.

> In areas like language.. older folks have had more time on Earth to
> be exposed to more language, so if anyone should be penalized, it
> should be older people.

We get dumber after age 30.  That varies somewhat for the individual,
of course, but basically we gradually get smarter with better memory
until about 30, and then it all goes downhill.  Older people have
wisdom and experience, which aren't measured by IQ.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Tue Jun 10 11:47:03 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: what are you going to watch this summer?
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The Amazing Race and Scrubs reruns.  (Naturally the only two things I
want to watch are scheduled opposite each other.)  Sometimes I'll
watch CSI afterwards if the previews look good, but I'm not sure I'm
cool enough for that show.

The rest of the week I listen to baseball on the radio.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Mon Jul  7 06:56:27 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Waterston renews "Law & Order" deal
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rander3127@rogers.com writes:

> Sounds good. Waterston is a talented actor and his character on the
> show is multi-dimensional, which is more you can say for most
> characters in TV.

My favorite Waterston performance is his SNL bit selling insurance
against robot attack to the elderly.  It's so absurdly funny he can't
even keep a straight face through the whole thing, but he's perfect
for it.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Wed Aug  6 11:22:01 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Best and worst ads for new fall shows?
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deering1 <deering1@mindspring.com> writes:

> Hmm, the ads for THE LYON'S DEN aren't bad (though one gets the
> feeling that the show is going to try and cover more territory
> than it can comfortably chew on--g!). JOAN OF ARCADIA's look
> surprisingly good (and I was prepared to hate this show with a
> passion--I'm not one for TOUCHED BY AN ANGEL/so-called "family
> values"/often bogus sentimentality--:PP).

I'm not either, but I'll give Joan a try.  I figure I'll really like
it or really hate it.  There's a ton of potential, since God as a real
presence in people's lives rarely makes it on screen today except to
be ridiculed, but I'm skeptical whether anyone in Hollywood can deal
seriously with religious topics without getting overly sentimental.
We'll see.

The promos for Cold Case are pretty good, in that they let you know
that if you like CSI and Without a Trace, you'll feel right at home
with this show.  It could do a lot worse than to pick up all those
viewers.

I'd like to comment on the promos for The Amazing Race, but I'm not
sure I've ever seen one.  And they're disappointed in the ratings.
Duh.

I already hate Charlie Sheen's new show, whatever it's called, just
because I've seen the promo 1000 times, and I only watch a few hours
of TV a week.  If you're going to promote a show during every single
freakin' Thursday night break, please at least have more than two
clips to work with.

I haven't watched much except CBS lately, but I did happen to catch a
Coupling promo once somehow.  It looks as bad as Friends, except with
less personality and heart.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Wed Sep 10 07:20:21 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Oldest plot cliche in family sitcoms
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Willondon <willondon@dsisp.net> writes:

> How about when one character is supposed to be being hypnotized, but
> a bystanding character ends up being hypnotized.  "Flinstones",
> "Bewitched" and "Cheers" if my memory is correct.

And Newsradio.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Wed Sep 10 16:38:27 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Overnight ratings for Tuesday, September 9th
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"Yawn" <overcharged@yahoo.com> writes:

> I wonder how all those "Whoopi" trashers are feeling today.

Probably thinking that if you put together a strong promotion drive, a
big-name star, and abysmal competition on the other channels, people
will watch absolutely anything for one episode.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Sat Sep 13 06:15:54 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: TV Sitcom Star John Ritter Dead
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djaxmann@aol.commentary (Andy Jakcsy) writes:

> Not unless one of the other Tuesday comedies totally bombs...Monk's
> an hour show, while 8SR is a half-hour show...

An ABC show bomb?  Hard to imagine that.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Sat Sep 13 19:40:16 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: David Letterman expecting a baby
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"Dwayne Day" <zirconic@earthlink.net> writes:

> And there, EXACTLY, is my confusion.  How the heck is it "old
> fashioned" to live with a woman ten years, get her pregnant, and
> ONLY THEN talk about marriage?

For a writer who spends a lot of time around entertainers, taking
marriage seriously *at all* probably seems archaic these days.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Sun Sep 14 16:49:48 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
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shawn <shawn@spamcop.net> writes:

> Actually I find them very useful in the office. We have a lab setup
> where the lab network is kept separate from the rest of the office.
> There is a connection, but it requires going through a DMZ to get to
> the lab. So it is easier to put a file on a floppy and move it to
> another PC, unless the file is too big for a floppy. I've moved a
> number of files both ways over the last few months.

A few months ago a client of mine needed to get a 30MB compressed file
onto an old SCO Unix system.  No networking capability, no CD-ROM, no
way to communicate with it except through a modem on a serial port.
They'd tried dumping the file across the modem with a terminal
program, but they couldn't keep a good connection long enough for
that.  But it did have a floppy drive.

So, I downloaded the file to my Slackware Linux laptop and headed in
there with two floppy disks (actually, I took a handful, because I
haven't bought any in several years, and it's usually hit-and-miss
finding a couple that'll format and verify).  I used the split command
to break the file into 1.4MB pieces, then started copying the pieces
onto the disks and reading them onto the SCO system.  Two disks made
it twice as fast, because I could be writing part #2 to one disk while
reading part #1 from the other, and so on.  After swapping the disks
20-some times, I concatenated the pieces back into one large file on
the SCO box and uncompressed it.

It was a major pain, but if not for those floppy drives, my only other
option would have been to tear into the system and add an extra hard
drive with the file already on it, or a CD-ROM, and even then there
would have been driver issues.  So floppies definitely came in handy
that time.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Mon Sep 15 15:18:57 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: David Letterman expecting a baby
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Maureen Goldman <inkslinger@FOGsunshine.net> writes:

> Mother of four here:
> While not typical, there's nothing unusual about pregnancy at 43.

Isn't "not typical" pretty much the definition of "unusual"?  

One of CBS's news shows just ran a piece a few weeks ago about how
rare it is for a woman over 40 to conceive, and how many women don't
realize that because they read about these cases.  They think they can
just put it off until 35-45 and take a few fertility drugs and boom --
a kid.  They interviewed some women in their low 40s who are having
trouble conceiving (or giving up and going with adoption); then they
interviewed some approx. 30-year-olds who weren't in any big hurry,
because they figured it could always wait until later.

The doctors on that show said 44 was pretty much the practical cut-off
date.  They said up until 44, fertility drugs and the like could still
help, but after that age, there wasn't much medicine could do; you
just have to hope your system is younger than most.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Mon Sep 15 17:58:11 2003
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Subject: Re: John Ritter = the bailiffs on Night Court
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raven@typhoon.xnet.com (Heather Garvey) writes:

> You are correct. I *know* you are through Logan leaving, at 
> least.  I quit watching the show after Chris Noth left - Sam Waterson
> had already ruined the "Law" side for me, and Logan was the primary 
> reason I watched the "Order" half. As much as they like to think so,
> these people are *not* interchangable. I think they just got lucky 
> with the Greevey/Cerreta/Briscoe casting and the Cragan/whasserface
> and took that to mean they could do it indefinitely.

It never occurred to me back when I was watching the episodes, but
recently I realized that all the main characters on the original L&O
were male.  A fairly homely bunch, too.  How did the show ever make it
without some hot models?  How did they even get through the casting
process without someone saying it was discriminatory to have an
all-male group of actors?

It doesn't seem like you could get away with this today; every show
has to have its carefully proportioned allotment of beef- and
cheese-cake.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Tue Sep 16 09:05:02 2003
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Subject: Re: "8 Simple Rules" Cast Addition Candidates
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snickersboy4u@aol.commie (SNICKERSBOY4U) writes:

> How about Ed O'Neill?

As great as it would be to see Married With Children come back -- the
early MWC, of course; let's pretend Seven and the No Ma'am Club never
happened -- I'm not sure it'd ever be the same again.  I'm afraid the
influence of ABC would make it a hollow, evil, shell of the original,
kinda like the cat the guy brings back in Pet Sematary.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Tue Sep 16 20:24:27 2003
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Tux <me@philliplineburg.com> writes:

[Followup ignored]

> 1.  Do you watch Friends on NBC?

No.

> 2.  Do you watch ER on NBC

No.  Is that still on?

> 3.  Do you watch CSI on CBS

Yes.

> 4.  Do you watch Who's Line Is It on ABC?

No.  I'd gouge my own eyes out first.

> 5.  Do you watch WWE Raw on UPN?

No.  I think when some animal group punked them out of their name,
they should have just died off out of embarrassment.

> 6.  Do you watch 24 on Fox?

No.  I'm not hip enough.  I was just barely cool enough to watch the
X-Files.

> 7.  Do you watch the Jamie Kennedy eXperiment on the WB?

Never heard of it.

> Last Question
> 8.  Do you subscribe to cable or satellite DBS services?

No.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Wed Sep 17 17:13:09 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: ABC says will continue 8Rules... after indefinite hiatus
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"Dwayne Day" <zirconic@earthlink.net> writes:

> By the way, how did News Radio explain Hartman's absence?

Bill had a heart attack, although they never went into a lot of
detail.  Matthew couldn't deal with it, and for a while (at least one
ep) he was convinced that Bill was just playing a practical joke on
him and was going to show back up to surprise him.


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Aaron

From nobody Thu Sep 18 16:05:42 2003
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Subject: Re: Big Brother 4  Brief Comments
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finezer54@earthlink.net (Steve Fine) writes:

> I cannot agree more. The "X Factor" had some potential, but became
> dull. They all became NICE to each other. The recruiting negates
> true competition.

They probably should have realized that in a stressful situation
surrounded by strangers, the exes would gravity toward each other
instead of creating conflict.  

> How so? I can believe a pseudo-fix in other Survivors, but it was
> obvious that Matthew was such an anti-social creep that the Jenna
> win should not have been such a shocker. We didn't see enough to
> know the Matthew truth.

Obvious to a few of us, but not obvious to the many people who were
predicting an easy Matthew win.


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Aaron

From nobody Mon Sep 22 07:40:59 2003
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Subject: Re: Discovery channel - bizarre bleep
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lazarus <lazarus33pjf@cox.net> writes:

> Gods, this sensitivity is going way too far.  We're going to raise a
> generation that can't handle being offended in any way.

Apparently we already did, 30-40 years ago.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Thu Sep 25 23:33:40 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: POLL: Shows Premiering on 09/25
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"Ian J. Ball" <ijball***SPAM-No***@mac.com.invalid> writes:

> The ALAN SEPINWALL Memorial* New Shows Poll:

> "CSI: Crime Scene Investigation" (CBS)

Decent episode, but nothing special.  Of course, it's continued to
next week, so maybe the good stuff is still to come.

> "Without a Trace" (CBS)

Consistently a great show.  How it isn't piling up awards I don't
know.  Anyone know what the slow, haunting song was that played a few
times during tonight's episode?  Apparently CBS can't fit anything as
useful as episode credits into their web site, thanks to the
ridiculous amount of graphics.

> "ER" (NBC)

They're still making that?


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Thu Sep 25 23:37:43 2003
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shawn <shawn@spamcop.net> writes:

> Very much agreed! As I stated in another post I really liked the
> fact that there was at least one person that really could read
> Grissom.  Marg H.'s character cares about Grissom and probably knows
> him the best of all of the people he works with, but Lady Heather
> seemed to get so much more out of Grissom than Marg H. did and in
> just a few meetings.

I liked Lady Heather and thought she and Grissom were interesting
together, but the "madam/prostitute who's extremely intelligent and
educated" shtick has been overdone in my opinion.  When she started
quoting Shakespeare or some philosopher, I just groaned and said,
"Yes, of *course* she knows that stuff.  Don't they all?"


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Aaron

From nobody Wed Oct  1 06:53:49 2003
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Frank Swarbrick <infocat@sprynet.com> writes:

> If the writer thinks that Lilly is actually "seeing" these
> flashbacks I think she has misinterpreted it.  We see the
> flashbacks, but I don't think Lilly does.  I don't think anything
> supernatural is going on here.

I thought she was seeing them, but I didn't think there was anything
psychic going on.  It was more like as she dug into their pasts, she
identified with their younger selves so much that she saw them that
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Aaron

From nobody Wed Oct  1 07:13:15 2003
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k581@stopsendingmepornicanfinditmyself.com (axel heyst) writes:

>  I dug it up online.  It's hard to tell exactly what this means-

Is anything in this article [from the Denver Post] correct?

> The CBS effort, "Cold Case," plays to an older crowd with its
> by-the-numbers approach:

Maybe, but I'm thinking it might be a little heavy on the profanity,
gore, and violence to really be targeted at the "older crowd."  It was
easily as dark and bloody as CSI, without the zooming in on internal
organs.

> Low-ranking cop must prove herself through diligence, pluck and what
> used to be called women's intuition.

Is she low-ranking?  The other cops kept giving her a hard time about
ignoring their 'triple' to work on this old case, yet she kept at it.
She also didn't seem too concerned when the commissioner wanted her to
back off the case because of the powerful suspects.  I got the
impression she was already a proven veteran investigator who could
pretty much do what she pleased.

> Kathryn Morris ("Minority Report") is Detective Lilly Rush, the only
> female homicide detective in the Philadelphia Police
> Department.

This may all be true, although we surely haven't seen the whole
homicide department yet.

> She's assigned the dead-end files, the "cold cases," and must use
> her imagination to crack them.

That sentence sounds more like the X-Files than this show.  She
doesn't get "assigned the dead-end files"; she didn't seem to even
realize they existed until this case got her attention when a witness
talked to her.  That was one of my complaints about the show:  we
never really saw this transformation from the cop who wanted to be on
the big exciting triple homicide to the cop who wanted to toil away on
this forgotten case that no one else wanted her on.  Even if this
particular case got her imagination, we still haven't seen why she's
going to keep going back to the cold cases week after week.  Maybe
that'll be a gradual change that plays out due to circumstances.

> Flashbacks give her insight into the victims' and suspects' prior
> lives, sort of an ESP-"Profiler" effect that is the series' proud
> gimmick.

Like I said elsewhere in the thread, I don't think she was actually
seeing any of those things.  This looked more like CSI, where the
detectives 'see' how the crime happened as they discuss it.  They
aren't having ESP or flashbacks; they're just imagining it (sometimes
wrongly).  This looked like the same thing.  And mostly it's artistic
effect for the viewers.

Why don't journalists actually watch shows before they write about
them?


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Thu Oct  2 07:48:50 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Without a Trace: Too Damn Depressing?
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mutefan@yahoo.com (Mute Fan) writes:

> There wasn't a bigger cheerleader for WAT last year than me, with
> the possible exception of someone named Lynn, who mysteriously
> disappeared from this group sometime in the winter and who posted
> regular reviews of it.

> But, damn, Thursday's season opener was the definition of bathos. 
> Sad, sad, sad.  Sadness, sadness, melancholia.  Opening and closing
> Tears for Fears song to slit your wrists by. 

Great song, although it's a cover of the Tears for Fears song by Gary
Jules.  The original is pretty good (I've got it on a greatest hits
CD, I think), but doesn't pack nearly the punch of Jules's version.

> Sam depressed and killing two cops.

Maybe you would have liked it more if you'd paid attention.  She shot
the two kidnappers.  Jack took her gun because it's standard police
(and presumably FBI) procedure to take a cop off-duty after any
shooting until it's been investigated.  And of course she was freaked
out.

> Jack depressed and worried about his girls.

This was the most upbeat part of the show!  The guy had an affair,
neglected his family, and was separated from his wife for at least
nine months.  Now he's living at home again and walking his kids to
school.  Of course it's not going to be easy after that, but I'm
pleased to see a TV couple working to keep their family together just
because it's the right thing to do.

> This show was THE most original thing to come down the pike in a
> long time, for about fifteen episodes.  It was original specifically
> because it was old-time formulaic noir television, a la Perry Mason.
> No whining interest in the agents' private lives.

True, and that's why I liked the early Law & Order.  I don't mind
knowing a little about the agents' private lives, though; it makes
them more interesting characters.  But the cases need to remain the
focus of the show.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Wed Oct  8 17:52:23 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
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anim8rfsk@aol.comNOSPAM (ANIM8Rfsk) writes:

> << This season has been like walking into Starbucks for your cappuccino
> fix and having the barrista say, "Our steamer is broken. Can I
> interest you in a double espresso?" The jolt is still there but
> frankly, it's not as tasty a treat. >>

> And this is the exact moment I stopped caring about this guy's
> opinion, being as he's more pretentious than Frasier Crane.

No kidding.  Could he have possibly come up with an analogy that fewer
people would have a clue about?  Maybe something to do with higher
mathematics?  

"This season has been like trying to solve a matrix of quadratic
equations and discovering that the differential is an imaginary
number.  See how smart and sophisticated I am?"


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Aaron

From nobody Wed Oct  8 17:57:58 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
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anim8rfsk@aol.comNOSPAM (ANIM8Rfsk) writes:

> Is there such a thing as a 'minor' tiger bite?

"Woke up just now...one sock too many."


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Aaron

From nobody Thu Oct  9 05:52:38 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: CA recall: Can it finally be understood that 'Arnold' is not
 the  choice for Governor??
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Sandy McDermin <mcdermin@his.com> writes:

> Actually, Arnold was running as a Republican in name only. It was
> pure celebrity that won it for him.

And the fact that many voters are sick of both parties.


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Aaron

From nobody Wed Oct 15 07:14:06 2003
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Subject: Re: Sorry Phil
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dimlan17@yahoo.com (David) writes:

> Fact is the guy didn't interfere with ball since this happened in
> the stands, the ball may have been uncatchable anyway, and at worst
> all he did was prolong an at bat. He's not responsible for the
> Marlins scoring 8 runs. And if the Cubs can get so easily shaken
> that a simple foul ball getting caught by a fan opens the floodgates
> for 8 runs then they don't deserve to be in the World Series anyway.

Well yeah, but that last part's a given.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Sat Oct 18 19:31:34 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Cubs loss bad news for Fox
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Brian Thorn <bthorn64@cox.net> writes:

> "Broke America's heart?"  Chicagoans must have enormous egos... or
> incredible inferiority complexes.

Why choose?  They have both.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Sat Oct 18 19:35:09 2003
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Frank Swarbrick <infocat@sprynet.com> writes:

> Don't have an answer to your question, but I think you've
> misinterpreted that ad.  I don't think the slob guy is the other
> girl's boyfriend.  Her friend is simply teasing her and she's playing
> along.  "I do love him."  :-)

I don't think that's quite it either.  The first girl is teasing the
second girl by saying this random loser is her boyfriend, but the
second girl takes one look at the guy and falls in love -- "I *do*
love him."  That what I got out of it, anyway.  Without that twist,
it's not funny at all -- like a US Cellular ad.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Sat Oct 18 19:42:44 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Tonight's "CSI" rerun & NBC too
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corwin2@aol.comamber (Corwin2) writes:

> Also, NBC pulled the rerun of Scrubs (My Big Brother) and replaced
> it with the a rerun of Will & Grace.

Of course they did.  NBC never passes up a chance to treat Scrubs like
crap.  I'm not sure why they renewed it, since they obviously don't
like to actually broadcast it any more than they have to.


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Aaron

From nobody Mon Nov  3 07:59:20 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: CBS at 75: Crime dramas - no Wiseguy?
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jmsbarber@aol.comnospam (James) writes:

> So far the special is, overall, dull, with some decent moments. I
> hope they have a bit with some of their big failures, like NBC did
> last year, but I know they probably won't. What a hoot to see
> "Central Park West" or "Bette" up there.

I thought they just had way to much to cover in three hours to do
justice to many shows, since they seemed determined to get in a clip
of everything.  I mean, M*A*S*H was one of the longest-running, most
popular shows in the network's history, and it just got a couple of
clips, and I don't think any actors from it appeared on stage.  By the
time the news divisions got done patting themselves on the back, there
wasn't a lot of time left for anything else.

One thing that struck me: During the segment on Westerns, Selleck said
that after Gunsmoke was canceled, there were no Western series on TV
until Dr. Quinn, Medicine Woman 18 years later.  What about Paradise
(later changed to Guns of Paradise)?  I'm pretty sure it came in that
18 year span.

And they let the Smothers Brothers ramble on mindlessly for way too
long.  Here all these years I thought they got fired for pushing the
censors, and it turns out they just aren't funny. 


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Aaron

From nobody Mon Nov  3 08:05:35 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: CBS 75th  Anniversary Show
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jmsbarber@aol.comnospam (James) writes:

> Carol Burnett was hilarious. I wish they'd had her on more often,
> and much earlier in the broadcast.

I wish they'd just focused on the more popular shows, instead of
trying to get a mention in for everything.  Or maybe they could have
split it up by genre or decade into multiple specials to run
throughout the year.  Just about the time I'd start to enjoy a clip
from a show, they'd cut to something else, maybe something I'd never
heard of.

> Can't see this doing very well in the ratings.

Probably not, but then I don't suppose that was the point.


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Aaron

From nobody Tue Nov  4 07:33:40 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Another sitcom scrubbed, when will NBC learn?
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jmsbarber@aol.comnospam (James) writes:

> I don't see the sex appeal, sorry. She's always reminded me of
> Prairie Dawn from "Sesame Street", only with breasts and less acting
> ability.

She [Sarah Chalke] definitely does it for me.  Hubba hubba.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Tue Nov  4 07:46:13 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: CBS 75th  Anniversary Show
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jmsbarber@aol.comnospam (James) writes:

>>	Er, so what was "Young Riders"?

> That was on ABC. They were talking about Westerns which aired on CBS.

That's not what he said, though.  Maybe someone who has it on tape can
check the exact wording, but I remember something like, "...after
Gunsmoke was cancelled, there were no westerns television series for
eighteen years, until Dr. Quinn, Medicine Woman premiered in..."  I'm
almost certain he said on TV in general, not just CBS.  

Could have just been a slip-up and he meant to say "on CBS," but I
noticed it immediately because Paradise was one of my favorite shows.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Tue Nov  4 07:49:30 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: CBS 75th  Anniversary Show
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wishy13764@aol.com (Wishy13764) writes:

> I found this show riveting..compare what garbage is on tv these
> days. Was a pleasure to see the best shows that ever were on
> TV..Mash, Mary T Moore, Gunsmoke, The Defenders and etc.

Same here.  It made me wish I could just watch all the old shows,
instead of the mostly worthless stuff they show now.  I wouldn't mind
devoting 6 nights a week (excepting CBS Thursdays) to a bunch of these
old shows.  Guess I need to restart my Dish subscription.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Tue Nov  4 07:53:42 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: CBS 75th  Anniversary Show
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jb <jbaldwin224@earthlink.net> writes:

> I was mostly reminded of how *few* CBS shows I've liked. Outside of
> Mary Tyler Moore, All in the Family and Bob Newhart...most were
> never interests of mine.

I'm not a big fan of those.  The first two always seemed to me to take
themselves too seriously, like many sitcoms from that era.  

> And I cringed to recall some other horrors, like Alice, The
> Jeffersons, One Day at a Time, Designing Women...brrrrrrrr.

Yeah, those are some real stinkers.  Again, more clobbering the viewer
over the head with the Big F***ing Hammer of the moral of the week.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Tue Nov  4 07:56:03 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: CBS 75th  Anniversary Show
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Linda M. Young <lindamryoungnull@mindspring.com> writes:

> Did anyone notice the one show glaringly missing? Probably one of
> CBS's biggest syndicated hits after I LOVE LUCY?

Hee Haw?


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Tue Nov  4 07:58:27 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: CBS 75th  Anniversary Show
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anim8rfsk@aol.comNOSPAM (ANIM8Rfsk) writes:

> Embarrassing was the announcer introducing Andy Griffith and Jim
> Nabors as the stars of "Mayberry RFD"

Yeah, was that a joke I didn't get?  They were actually the two guys
from TAGS /not/ on Mayberry RFD, right?


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Sun Nov  9 06:19:57 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Sam Waterston
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drewdr@yahoo.com writes:

> Does this guy ever do any kind of publicity ? Talk shows, photo
> shoots, award ceremonies  ?

> It seems like he is the most anonymous leading guy on TV.

His bit where he sells insurance against robot attacks to the elderly
is one of the funniest things I've ever seen on SNL.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Wed Nov 12 19:52:33 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Why no Andy Griffith newsgroup?
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Wes <a@b.com> writes:

> You can look up almost every TV show on the internet via newsgroup
> except one: Andy Griffith. Anyone know why since the fan base is so
> high?

My news server has alt.tv.the-andy-griffith-show, but google doesn't
list it, or show any messages prior to July 2000.  Maybe I'll
subscribe and see if I get any non-spam traffic.

When a TV show has been in reruns for a long time, the newsgroup for
it tends to stagnate.  Sometimes the regulars have gotten to know each
other well enough that they hang around and keep posting, but they've
discussed every little detail of the show to death over the years, so
there's not much new to say.  Usually in that case, it turns into a
group of friends chatting about whatever, with little on-topic
discussion of the actual show.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Wed Nov 12 19:54:20 2003
Newsgroups: alt.tv.magnum-pi,rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Magnum P.I. and Diagnosis Murder to Hallmark
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missq@ix.netcom.com (Miss Q) writes:

> YEAH!!!!

So do any satellite dish systems carry the Hallmark channel?


Thanks,
-- 
Aaron

From nobody Sun Nov 16 15:46:45 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Family entertainment redefined
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jmsbarber@aol.comnospam (James) writes:

>>Today's "WB Family Movie" is "Beverly Hills Cop" and Friday
>>family-friendly PAX is airing "The Usual Suspects". And the #1 show
>>amongst kids is... "Fear Factor", which next Monday is doing a family
>>edition.

> I wonder where all those family groups who complain about "CSI"
> airing at 10 PM are. This is something that is far more ridiculous.

CSI is the #1 show on TV, so complaining about it draws more attention
to your little group of nitpickers.  If they spent their press
releases picking on the WB and PAX, who'd notice?


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Tue Nov 18 11:12:59 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: "Average Joe", what a joke
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"Templeton Peck" <chestrockwell68@hotmail.com> writes:

> C'mon you truly weren't surprised at "the big twist"?

I'd hope not.  People have been predicting this twist since before the
premiere aired.  People also came up with several other possible
twists that were much more imaginative.

> Plus adding these 3 guys still plays into the premise of the show.

Not exactly.  The premise was "can a hot babe find true love with an
average guy?"  Not "can an average guy compete with hunky guys for a
hot babe?"  Similar, but not quite the same thing.  

If they specifically picked three dumb hunks with boring personalities
and no sense of humor, then some of the original premise remains --
when a woman says looks aren't the most important thing, does she mean
it?  But if the new guys are smart, charming, and funny, why
*shouldn't* she pick one of them?  If guys on both sides fit her other
criteria equally, why not pick one that's good-looking too?  Then the
question asked by the premise isn't answered at all.

> I don't know what was better, seeing Melena's face light up
> revealing how really shallow and phony she is.

Yeah, that had to be rough for the geeks to look over and see that
big, glazed-over grin on her face.

> Or the look on Zach's face when he realized he was no longer BMOC,
> no longer a man among geeks.

I suppose now we're supposed to feel sorry for Zach and root for him
against the hunks.  I'm not sure that's possible.  I think I mostly
lost interest in it the moment they went with the obvious twist
anyway.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Thu Nov 20 06:40:09 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: "Average Joe", what a joke
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Maureen Goldman <inkslinger@FOGsunshine.net> writes:

> I doubt that more than a week has passed since taping began. It
> seems early to mention unlearning "old habits".

In the third show, I'm pretty sure I heard one guy say they'd been
there for three weeks.  That's a pace of one week per episode, with a
'date' about every other day.  That would explain a little better why
these guys are getting so attached to each other (or hating each
other) -- they're spending a lot more time together sans-Melena than
it seems like from the show.


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Aaron

From nobody Thu Nov 20 06:43:24 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: UPN scheds "Top Model 2"
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cmk1996@aol.com (CMK1996) writes:

>>"Dramality" is a new one to me. What's it mean?

> It's the last part of the word reality.

Heh; the first thing I thought of was drama + banality.


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Aaron

From nobody Thu Nov 20 06:48:43 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Howard Hesseman
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jmsbarber@aol.comnospam (James) writes:

> He was on "It's All Relative" tonight playing a hippie. He looked
> pretty bad, but maybe that was for the part. I haven't seen him on
> anything since "Head of the Class".

I thought he looked pretty rough twenty years ago in Doctor Detroit.
That might have been the part too, though; as I recall, he was on the
run from the mob or something.  

That's one movie that proves MST3K was canceled too soon, by the way.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Thu Nov 20 06:58:56 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv,alt.tv.twenty-four
Subject: Re: Where did the saying "jump the shark" come from?  Was  "24"
 just jumped the shark
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Roy Knable <roy@hellvision.com> writes:

> This phrase has been misused time and again, this pronouncement
> about 24 being one of those. You absolutely *cannot* say that a show
> has jumped the shark at the moment it happens. How can you know for
> a fact that it's all downhill from here? The best may be yet to
> come.

You can make an educated guess.  Say your favorite show has a lot of
sexual "Will they; won't they" tension between the main characters
(Cheers, X-Files, etc).  Suddenly there's an episode where they sleep
together or get married, and you say, "That does it; the show will
never be the same.  The writers are out of ideas."

You could turn out to be wrong, of course.  The show could go on to be
better than ever.  But I'll bet a lot of shark-jumping moments are
recognized as they happen.


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Aaron

From nobody Thu Nov 20 18:09:54 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: NBC wants female "Queer Eye"
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smkmirrors@aol.com (SmkMirrors) writes:

> Actually wouldn't the ideal show be Stright Guys remaking Gay Women?
> Think of what could be done for Ellen!

They could call it "Nothing But Flannel."


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Mon Nov 24 06:43:09 2003
Newsgroups: alt.tv.survivor
Subject: Re: Jenna's Mom died, she was only 48
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Henrietta Hungryhole <> writes:

> And speaking of James.....anyone heard from him lately?

I believe he's still posting to rec.arts.tv.


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Aaron

From nobody Tue Nov 25 05:35:04 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: 11/24 development news
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dimlan17@yahoo.com (David) writes:

> CHICAGO (thefutoncritic.com) -- The latest development news, culled
> from recent wire reports:

> THE COMPLETE ASSHOLE'S GUIDE TO HANDLING CHICKS (FOX, New!) - FOX is
> developing a half-hour comedy based on the bestselling book of the
> same name.

This has to be the one that caused them to take a pass on Tucker Max's
project.  


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Wed Dec  3 07:06:50 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Why all the homosexual plot lines??
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jmsbarber@aol.comnospam (James) writes:

> Well, you usually don't see liberals going around beating guys up
> because they're gay.

I can recall two high profile murder cases involving gays in the last
few years.  In the one that was huge news, some (presumably) straight
guys beat and killed a gay guy.  (I can't think of his name; Mike
something, I think.)  In the other, two gay men sodomized and tortured
a young boy until they killed him.  There are evil, sick people of
both persuasions.

> They also tend to not pray for Supreme Court justices to "retire"
> because of health problems,

They don't?  I'll see that and raise you:

"I hope his wife feeds him lots of eggs and butter and he dies early
like many black men do, of heart disease." - Julianne Malveaux of USA
Today on Clarence Thomas.  She doesn't just want him to retire; she
wants him dead.

"If there is retributive justice, he'll get AIDS from a transfusion,
or one of his grandchildren will get it." - Nina Totenberg, NPR, on
Jesse Helms.  Nice touch there wishing death on his descendants too.

> or to suggest that the State Department should be blown up, as some
> conservative leaders do.

I haven't heard this one, but I doubt it came from anyone I'd consider
a 'leader.'  The State Dept. does need to be reined in and reminded
what country it works for, but not blown up.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Wed Dec  3 07:11:47 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Did Linda Tripp ruin her children's life?
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tomcervo@aol.com (Tom Cervo) writes:

> The fact that she got paid half a million dollars of the people's
> money, because the truth of her arrest record came out, pretty much
> ruined my day. I wish the RNC would pay their own hush money instead
> of using mine.

That's funny that you'd call it "hush money", when the reason people
hate her is because she *didn't* hush at all when asked to.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Wed Dec  3 07:15:18 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: AVERAGE JOE comment
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"Nikita" <Nikitamoon_SpamEggsandSpam_@yahoo.com> writes:

> What I found amusing were her comments that she had hoped they were
> not into her for just her looks, but when she was on her date with
> Jason she kept telling him how "pretty" and "adorable" he was.

Yeah, if I were making out with some girl and she said I was "pretty",
I'd have to pull back and tell her to cut that out.  That's more
creepy than complimentary somehow.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Wed Dec  3 07:27:34 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: AVERAGE JOE comment
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wunnuy@netzero.net (wunnuy) writes:

> I don't know who saw the episode last night (12/1) but
> interestingly, the girl wore a fat suit, then watched videos of the
> men talking crap about the "fat chick." She got pissed and
> eliminated the "stud" nerd (the guy with the healthy orange glow)
> Zach, because he was the most harsh.

It was pretty lame, really.  In the fat suit, she never smiled, made
very little eye contact, and refused to shake hands with the guys --
probably to avoid giving away the secret of the fat suit -- while her
cute friend sat next to her smiling and doing most of the talking.
Big surprise that the guys tended to focus on the other girl, hot or
not.

Then, as herself, she said some disparaging things to the guys about
her fat 'cousin', subconsciously giving them permission to put her
down.  "Gee, she was rude and standoffish to me, and Melena doesn't
even like her.  Guess my first impression was right."

It would have been more interesting if they'd given the fat girl a
fighting chance.  They should have found a 250-pound girl with a good
sense of humor and some attitude and confidence -- there are plenty of
them around.  Melena could have introduced her as "my favorite cousin"
instead of someone she was embarrassed to have them meet.  

That way, if the guys still treated the fat girl badly and talked
behind her back, it would have clearly been because of her size and
looks, and nothing else.

> This girl is one of the women who does the exact same thing the guys
> were doing, yet here she is copping a 'tude when it's reversed.
> Amazing.

Sure.  You know how they say ex-smokers are the most zealous
anti-smokers -- same thing here.  Fresh from her trip around town in
the fat suit, she thinks of herself as ex-vain, so she's
hyper-critical of vanity and condescension in others right now.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Wed Dec  3 18:31:50 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Average Joe / Average Jane
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albertww2002@yahoo.com (Albert WW) writes:

> Taking genuinely unattractive (physically) women and putting them on
> TV for laughs (as was done in Average Joe for men) would be
> considered too "mean," I suspect.

Yeah, making 16 guys stand in a line shirtless with their bellies
hanging out is funny.  Doing the same thing to 16 women would just be
mean.  That's not to say some people wouldn't watch it, but I'll bet
most people wouldn't.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Wed Dec  3 18:41:51 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: what are your favorite commercials?
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I like the ones about credit card fraud, where you see the victim but
hear the voice of the criminal.  I absolutely love the one with the
black woman and the young guy's voice.  

"...and twenty thousand dollars to finish my robot -- my giiiirrrl
robot. <evil laugh>  This is gonna be the best prom ever."

I've seen it at least a dozen times, and I still crack up laughing
just thinking about it.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Thu Dec  4 06:27:17 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: what are your favorite commercials?
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mpoconnor7@aol.comnojunk (Mpoconnor7) writes:

> I also like the "Real Men of Genius" ads with the singer singing
> about "Mr.  Wrestling Wardrobe Designer" and "Mr. Bad Toupee
> Wearer."

The 'wingman' ad is great too, but I don't know which beer it's for.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Thu Dec  4 06:31:52 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: AVERAGE JOE comment
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pimpinit@socal.com (Manny) writes:

> Is she going to choose a waiter, or a $100K+ year salary average joe?

What a choice.  She gets to be shallow and obsessed with looks, or a
gold-digger.  She can't win.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Thu Dec  4 07:20:17 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: SICK of Apple computers in every movie, TV show
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"D.F. Manno" <dommanno@netscape.net> writes:

> Almost every time _any_ computer is shown as the "stunt" computer
> the technobabble is wrong.

I think that's the case with pretty much every profession.  I happen
to know a lot about farming, and I can tell you that pretty much
everything from Hollywood that you see about farmers and rural life is
silly nonsense.  Cops and lawyers say the same thing about crime
shows, and doctors and nurses say the same thing about medical shows.

When a show involves your area of expertise, you might as well just
plan on enjoying it with a heavy helping of suspension of disbelief,
or just not watching at all.  Even when a show brings in experts from
the industry in question, it doesn't seem to help.  

The movie "Hackers" had some well-known person helping out in that
area, and it enabled them to get some of the terminology straight, but
the actual computer work was still 100% poetic license.  I liked it
anyway.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Thu Dec  4 15:16:12 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: SICK of Apple computers in every movie, TV show
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shawn <shawn@spamcop.net> writes:

> Definitely the Amiga could have beaten out the Macintosh, but the
> CBM management didn't have a clue how to market what they had. Can
> you imagine how CBM would have done if Steve Jobs had been there to
> help market the product? That's one of the main reasons that Apple
> has done so well.

CBM is like a case study on how to destroy a business despite good
products.  The Commodore 128 was a great machine for its time; so good
that CBM actively tried to keep it from getting popular, because they
were afraid it'd cut into the new Amiga's market.  They had a machine
that would run all those millions of C64 games out there -- much
better backwards compatibility than any version of Windows has had --
but also had the 80-column screen and the speed to make a good
business machine, and they didn't want to sell it.  Fools.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Fri Dec  5 17:52:52 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies.past-films,rec.arts.movies.current-films,alt.cult-movies,rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Common pop cultural references?
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lisamorgendunst@yahoo.com (Lisa Morgendunst) writes:

> Give one of three possible answers: 

> 1. Yes, have seen or heard it.
> 2. Haven't seen or heard it but heard about it. 
> 3. Never even heard of it. 

> The SNL skit "Samurai Night Fever"  2
>
> Berlin's "You Take My Breath Away"  1 (have it)
>
> Three's Company episode where Jack gets punched by a blind sailor. 3
>
> Last episode of Seinfeld. 1
>
> Any Death Wish sequel. 1
>
> Pee Wee's Big Adventure. 2
>
> David Bowie's "Let's Dance". 1
>
> Second City skit parodying "Moulin Rouge" by Huston. 3
>
> Any Godzilla movie. 1
>
> Brady Bunch episode where Marsha's nose get hit by a football. 1
>
> Gilligan's Island episode where SOS ends up as SOL. 3
>
> Sonny and Cher show. 1
>
> Some sappy 70s song called "Seasons in the Sun". 1
>
> Song "Car Wash" and the movie. 2
>
> Herman's Hermit's "Mrs. Brown You've Gotta Lovely Daughter". 3
>
> Seeker's "Georgy Girl" and the movie. 3

-- 
Aaron

From nobody Mon Dec  8 06:04:13 2003
Newsgroups: alt.tv.survivor
Subject: Re: OTP: Where is James???
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bostonbarney@hotmail.com (Sheila) writes:

> He hasn't posted here in months and I haven't seen him on Survivor
> Fever....I miss his comments and insights...anybody know what's
> become of him????

He had to go on injured reserve after he wore his fingers down to nubs
posting replies to every one of thousands of negative posts about
Andrew.

Actually, I think he still posts regularly over in rec.arts.tv, if you
want to go say hi.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Mon Dec  8 07:54:23 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: what are your favorite commercials?
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Linda M. Young <lindamryoungnull@mindspring.com> writes:

> My favorite Sprint commercial is still "flour the children."

Yeah, that one was great.  The flour-covered little girl grinning up
at the Sprint guy is the best part.

My favorite commercial of all time might be from the Dairy Council.
Two parents and a little girl come downstairs Christmas morning to
find their living room completely stuffed full of great gifts.  One of
the parents, in awe, says something like, "Those must have been some
great cookies you put out for Santa."  The little girl says, "I didn't
leave him cookies.  I left him cheeeeeeese."  The way she grins and
says 'cheese' makes me laugh every time.  Hopefully they'll be running
that one again this season.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Mon Dec  8 08:24:11 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Why 'TABITHA" series (spin-off of BEWITCHED) didn't make it
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Roy Knable <roy@hellvision.com> writes:

> High school was a breeze. College sucked. You forgot having to walk
> all over campus between classes. "Flexible schedules" included
> classes late into the evening. Little privacy in the dorms. And like
> ANIM8Rfsk wrote, it was a lot tougher.

That depends on the high school and college in question.  I attended a
private seminary high school, where everyone took four years of Latin,
three years of French, two years of algebra, and both physics and
chemistry.  My freshman class started with 23 students and we
graduated with eight.  Not everyone left for academic reasons, of
course, but that probably took out half the guys who left during or
after the first year.

Then I went to a state university.  I tested out of English 101, but
102 was still remedial.  Each class skipped over a certain number cost
against one's grade, so I attended just enough that my A turned into a
C.  Other classes didn't require attendance, so I skipped all the
chemistry and calculus classes after the first couple weeks and got Cs
on the tests.  I dropped out after one semester because my pizza
delivery job was more challenging and interesting.  My only regret is
wasting $3500 on one semester of out-of-state tuition and housing
costs.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Mon Dec  8 17:47:49 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Who is that fat girl on the Old Navy comercials?
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philcycles@aol.communged (Phil Brown) writes:

> What's wrong with AOL? When I started using the Internet it was
> either Compuserve or AOL and Compuserve was PC only.

There were other services, like GEnie and Prodigy.  None of them were
part of the Internet then, though; they all had their own proprietary
networks.  Most of them had some sort of gateway between their e-mail
systems and the Internet, and as the web became popular, they added
web gateways.  The only actual Internet users were mostly at colleges
and military installations.  

> Since I use Macs that kinda sealed it. And now, more than 10 years
> later it's very hard to change. and since when did a person's online
> service say anything at all about them?

Guilt by association, I guess.  Luckily for AOLers, WebTV came along
to make you guys look good.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Sat Dec 13 07:38:40 2003
Newsgroups: alt.tv.survivor
Subject: Re: Jeff's Challenge Commentaries
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"Brent McKee" <bSmckee@shaw.caN> writes:

> A poster in another group (rec.arts.tv) indicated that Jeff's
> commentaries on the various challenges are actually dubbed in
> _after_ the various challenges are completed.

A lot of it has to be done that way.  After all, think back to this
last IC; could Jeff even see those farthest tubes well enough to tell
exactly when each person grabbed the float so he could yell it out?
There are times when he gives running commentary about things he
couldn't possibly see, like when they were putting objects in chests
underwater, or when one person had to run back into the trees and
fetch an idol.

In last season's F4 IC maze challenge, they said afterwards that it
took something like an hour or more -- very unlike the impression we
got.  I doubt Jeff actually posed on top of that platform in the rain
the entire time, shouting out "Matt runs into a wall....Rob trips and
falls....Butch bumps into Jenna....Matt runs into another wall...."
He would've been hoarse by the end.  More likely, once they got
started and got plenty of footage of him up there, he went for a snack
and came back for the final shot when someone got the fourth necklace
and was headed back to the center.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Mon Dec 22 06:52:45 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: tv Christmas cliches/inaccuracies
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vmacekesq@yahoo.com (Vince Macek) writes:

> Considering how the 12 Days of Christmas acually begin at Christmas,
> and not the day after Halloween, it's a good move. Me, I wait until
> the December date goes into double-digits.

Got mine yesterday.  My family has always left ours up until Epiphany,
so we don't get them too early.  Price isn't a factor, since I cut
mine out of the timber for free.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Thu Dec 25 08:59:27 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation 2
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wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) writes:

> Huh, I see by the IMDb that they broke tradition by _not_ having
> Audrey Griswold played by an actress who hadn't played her before.
> I guess they made up for it by not having son Rusty (four actors in
> four appearances) appear at all.

Weren't Rusty and Audrey the same actors in the original Vacation and
European Vacation?  Or did I miss one of the movies?

Vacation
European
Christmas
Vegas
Christmas 2


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Aaron

From nobody Fri Dec 26 07:47:14 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation 2
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mzmeryze <screenname@domain.com> writes:

> Nope. They were different actors.
>
> Dana Barron - Audrey "Vacation"
> Anthony Michael Hall - Rusty "Vacation"
>
> Jason Lively - Rusty - "European Vacation"
> Dana Hill - Audrey - "European Vacation"

Thanks.  They sure did a good job of casting similar kids for the
second one.  I've seen both movies many times, and always thought they
were the same actors.  Now that I think about it, I can see the
differences.


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Aaron

From nobody Mon Dec 29 07:30:11 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv,alt.showbiz.gossip
Subject: Re: Micheal Jackson 60 Minutes Interview - a few comments
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aalucard@webtv.net writes:

> I thought he was innocent going into that interview but I am just
> not sure now.

I just caught a couple minutes of it when I turned on the TV to see
how late Cold Case was going to be (and discovered it wasn't showing
at all, damn it).  Looked to me like they're preparing a strong
insanity defense.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Wed Dec 31 08:08:42 2003
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: My own mid-season review
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dimlan17@yahoo.com (David) writes:

> "Las Vegas" (B-) Fun locale and it looks like no expense was spared
> to bring the show to life but the plots are predictable and if by
> 9:20 you can't guess how they'll be resolved you're not paying
> attention. I also find myself rooting for the cheaters and various
> other bad guys because rooting for a rich casino boss and his
> pretty-boy lackey is like rooting for Microsoft.

I'm really enjoying this show -- sort of against my will.  I was
prepared to hate it for going overboard in the flash and looks
department, but it so obviously doesn't take itself at all seriously
that I can just relax and enjoy it as goofy fun.  Sort of like the
movie "The Fifth Element" or some of the less-serious episodes of
"Magnum p.i."  (Danny's narrative reminds me of Magnum a little, too.)
It kind of feels like a throwback to a time when crime shows didn't
take themselves so seriously.  I like the earnest crime shows like
"Without a Trace" and "Cold Case," but "Las Vegas" is a nice change of
pace from those.

> "Scrubs" (C) Needs to decide whether they want to be an off-beat
> comedy or a melodramatic WB-type drama and whether they want to do
> intellectual jokes or wallow in toilet humor (they seem to have set a
> quota of at least 2 poop jokes per episodes). But this being season 3
> I guess this is what they'll always be. 

I haven't liked the third season as much as the first, but it's still
the only sitcom I'm watching.  I could do without the poop jokes too.
Some of the best musical selections on TV.

> "Without A Trace" (B) Does some great episodes and then follows it up
> with sub-par offerings. Needs to get out of the rut of having every
> missing person lead a secret double-life. Have a great weapon in
> Anthony LaPaglia, one of the finest leads in a current drama.

Agreed on the double-life bit.  The last one I saw, with the female
surgeon who went missing to help the daughter she gave up to adoption,
was especially weak.  She was supposed to be this brilliant, driven
surgeon; yet she just sort of stumbled through the episode and they
never gave me any reason to care whether she turned up alive or dead
or at all.

But in general, I love the show.  Like Scrubs, it often sends me
searching for a musical selection they've used.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Sat Jan  3 05:22:17 2004
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: CSI: New Orleans vs. CSI: New York
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wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) writes:

> CSI: Alternate Universe Where Rome Never Fell...

That'd be great.  I'm a big fan of Stephen Saylor and Lindsey Davis,
both of whom write detective novels set in ancient Rome.  Davis's
Falco series is up to 13 or so books, so there's a half-season of
plots right there.  They're not very CSI-ish though; more Mike
Hammer-ish.


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Aaron

From nobody Sun Jan  4 06:16:30 2004
Newsgroups: alt.gossip.celebrities,alt.music.michael-jackson,rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: "Michael Jackson Number Ones" ratings
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"Jorabi" <jorabi@pobox.com> writes:

> This one had glowing testimonials from industry people, taped before
> the accusations came out.  It wasn't fair to them either, and they
> might have felt uncomfortable about it airing now.

I almost watched it just to see who would be squirming after going on
record praising the guy.  This may have been made before the most
recent accusations, but certainly not before the first time Jackson
paid a bundle to make a molestation case go away.


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Aaron

From nobody Sun Jan  4 06:34:08 2004
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies.current-films,rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Bruckheimer vs Bruckheimer
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"Ken from Chicago" <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> writes:

> Will the REAL Jerry Bruckheimer please stand up?

> The producer of such movie schlock, BAD BOYS II, ARMAGEDDON, PEARL
> HARBOR turns around and on tv produces CSI: CRIME SCENE
> INVESTIGATIONS, CSI: MIAMI, WITHOUT A TRACE and COLD CASE. Not only
> are the tv police dramas good, but the quality of the drama
> increases with each succeeding show. In the words of the leader of
> one famous comedy quarter: What is the deal?

I've wondered that too.  He also produces The Amazing Race, probably
my favorite show of the past several years.  Yet I've never been able
to stomach any of his movies.  Weird.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Tue Jan  6 09:58:07 2004
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Comcast "anti satellite dish" commercials
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jstone9352@aol.com (JSTONE9352) writes:

> "This thing is like a sail" catching the wind, rain and snow and
> giving a bad picture etc etc.  So..... you dish owners out there.
> What are your real experiences with the dish and would you consider
> going back to cable?

Those ads are lying, or at least exaggerating greatly.  I had Dish for
several years, and rarely had weather-related trouble with it.  If an
unusually intense storm came through, the signal might go out for a
few minutes as the leading edge of the storm passed over, but then
it'd come back.  I think one time in really high winds (40+ mph) it
got out of kilter enough to lose signal, and once in a very wet
snowstorm I had to go knock the snow off it.  Big deal.  

I dropped the service because I got to where I wasn't watching enough
TV to justify the cost.  I'll probably get it back one of these days
when there's something I really want to see, like the NHL playoffs.  I
live in a rural area without the option of cable.

Which reminds me of something I've been wanting to ask: are the big
(5' or so in diameter) dishes a viable option at all these days?  Lots
of people put those in around here in the country back before the
small dishes were available, but I don't know how many are still in
use.  Can you get very many channels for free with them, or do you
have to pay for some sort of descrambling service?


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Aaron

From nobody Wed Jan  7 09:27:16 2004
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Comcast "anti satellite dish" commercials
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estasiak@att.net (Ed Stasiak) writes:

> Do any of you dish users also have a dish/satellite modem for
> your PC, how much are you paying and what's the service like?

I don't have it, but I've used a friend's.  Web browsing was good,
compared to modem, but telnet, which is what I was doing at the time,
was terrible.

The problem is latency.  It takes about 1/4 second to bounce a packet
off the satellite and back down.  That's at the speed of light, so
that's as fast as it's going to get.  When you click on a link in your
browser, it takes 1/4 second to send your request, then another 1/4
second before the data starts arriving back at your machine.  That
doesn't count any processing time at either end, so realistically
you're looking at about .75 seconds minimum round-trip time.  

By comparison, I get about .25 seconds round-trip time on my modem.
Granted, the satellite feed will move a lot more data once it gets
started, but it'll always take longer to get the first bits through.
When I used it for web browsing, I'd click on a link, wait a second or
so, and then the page would load very quickly.  When using it for
telnet, the display would always be a second or two behind my typing,
which is pretty annoying.  I'd type some_command<enter> and wait a
second or more for the results.  That's worse than just being slow,
because at least on a slow connection you get some info for your brain
to process right away.

That same latency means it's pretty much useless for online gaming,
too.  The ping times are just way too high.  Likewise, IRC and other
real-time chat systems will be delayed.  Direct Usenet usage would
also be painful, since every post would be a separate transfer and
wait; but that could be avoided by using a newsreader that downloads
posts in advance or running your own small news server.

If all you do is browse the web and download large files, you'd
probably be thrilled with a dish-based system, except for the price.
I'd check out the appropriate newsgroups (alt.satellite.direcpc,
rec.video.satellite.dbs) for opinions on them before buying, though.
Last time I checked, there was a lot of dissatisfaction with the
quality of the service.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Thu Jan  8 07:47:05 2004
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Why is Mike Ditka doing viagra commercials?
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Nullibicity <nullibicity-news@SPAMBLOCKnullibicity.com.invalid> writes:

> I think it's funny how they never say what Levitra does.  According
> to the commercial it seems to be some product that helps you play
> football.  Maybe you're supposed to infer some connection between
> Levitra and "levitating".

The imagery is hilarious in the ad where the guy can't throw the
football through the tire...he pops some Levitra...suddenly he's
getting it right in the hole!  Sooooo subtle.  Maybe they'll do
another one where a guy's driving nails.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Thu Jan  8 08:20:12 2004
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Average Joe is just a reformulated Bachelorette
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John Rinck <john.rinck@xilinx.com> writes:

> EPISODE FOUR: The nerds will face off versus the models and the
> nerds will basically get their asses kicked in a variety of
> competitions.  Maybe they will throw in a Chess match to give the
> nerds some semblance of self-worth, but most of the competitions
> will be physical.  Some of the nerds will cry.  The models will have
> their own squabbles, but with each other.  Testosterone City.

In the first AJ, the losers beat the models in the basketball game
(the only direct competition they had).  Spending a lot of time in the
gym toning your abs doesn't make you an athlete, and at least one of
the models had never played basketball before.  So unless they tried
to cast more for jocks than models this time, I wouldn't bet on the
pretty guys in anything physical.

> EPISODE FIVE: Because the producers will no doubt prevent Larissa
> from dumping all the nerds all at once, she will be forced to dump
> some of the models to keep the GEEK/HUNK ratio where it needs to be.
> She will cry over the decision to drop Sven while Carrot-Top gets to
> stay.

They never came right out and said it, but there were hints in the
first one that she was required to boot them evenly -- from 3-3 to 2-2
to 1-1.  It appears they'll be bringing in more models sooner this
time, so it's hard to say if they'll still keep it even, but I assume
it'll come down to Loser vs. Model at the end again.

> EPISODE SIX: One of the nerds actually begins to tickle her fancy,
> but she only uses him as a shoulder to cry on, all the meanwhile
> getting her groove on with one of the models.

That's life.

> EPISODE SEVEN: As the producers require, it will come down to a geek
> versus a model for the coveted Larissa to choose over.  She will go
> on and on about how she feels the geek would make a better husband,
> but, and I quote "Sure, he may be better for me in the long run, but
> you can't sustain a relationship without a physical attraction."
> The hunk will win.

Well, it is supposed to be reality TV, right?

> REPEAT THIS TIMELINE FOR "AVERAGE JOE 3", 4, 5, ETC.

They could get the Jane to pick an AJ if they didn't cast such losers
for it.  These guys aren't average; they're odd.  What's 'average'
about a 30-year-old virgin, or a guy who's wearing the clothes and
hairstyle his grandpa wore in the 50s, or a guy with teeth so bad you
can smell the halitosis through the TV, or a guy who thinks it's funny
to break an egg over the head of someone he's just met?

Of course, truly average guys would be boring TV (and mostly wouldn't
sign up), so that's why we get a bunch of odd-balls.  Every one of
them has some odd feature or personality trait that's kept him from
finding the girl of his dreams, and lo and behold, the star of the
show discovers it too!


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Thu Jan  8 08:32:40 2004
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Average Joe is just a reformulated Bachelorette
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victorthecleaner@netscape.net (zach) writes:

> That is why I did not bother with watching past the 1st episode of
> the first one. However, this one showed her freaking out (the
> "hidden" camera bit) since she didn't know about the average Joes,
> and she seemed a lot more bitchy than the first one. The previews
> also showed her making out with several of the Average Joes (won't
> call them nerds, because not all of them are), or did I NOT see
> that? Did that happen in the first AJ??

She made out with Zach and Adam, and gave John a Let's Just Be Friends
peck on the lips (which sent him into a really pathetic flurry of
devotion).

It's like Joe Bob Briggs said in a column about co-ed roommates:

  Obviously the bureaucrat who wrote this policy has never witnessed
  an office romance. The girl may look like your idea of warmed-over
  corned beef hash, but when you spend EVERY DAY with her, there's
  going to be that moment when the bare shoulder, the funny laugh, or
  the overheard conversation with her girlfriend when she talks about
  getting naked at the bachelorette party, suddenly ZAPS you, and you
  start wondering what's under there.

  <URL:http://upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20052002-123951-7621r>

Add to that the fact that these ladies have spent who knows how many
weeks leading up to the show getting themselves into a romantic frame
of mind.  Once the shock wears off and they decide to be good sports
and have a good time -- and are put into exciting and romantic
situations by the show -- it's not surprising if they develop some
attraction with some of the least-odd guys.  Until something better
shows up, of course.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Sat Jan 31 17:09:51 2004
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Apprentice 1/29
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ronnie@twitch.mit.edu (Ronnie Schnell) writes:

> Bowie does not make for good TV.  Why do you think Sam lasted so
> long?  He makes for good TV.

Sam only lasted three weeks, and he was fired as soon as he was
responsible for a loss by the men.  If "good TV" were the criteria,
Sam would have been kept a lot longer.

Bowie did a poor job of what he was assigned to do for this challenge
(inside sales of overpriced crap); he hadn't shown any particular
leadership or desire to lead; and he waffled when asked for an opinion
on the conflict between Nick and Kwame.  Trump had plenty of good
reasons to let him go this week besides his "TV presence" or lack
thereof.


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Aaron

From nobody Sat Jan 31 17:14:08 2004
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archer1267@yahoo.com (Wendy) writes:

> Nick's gone if he doesn't produce next week. I was glad when Trump
> said to him "I'd like to see you lead next week," and I wonder if
> he'd heard from the grapevine that Nick deliberately avoided leading
> the team this week.

I'm really curious whether Trump and the Viceroys get to see the
behind the scenes stuff, like what goes on in the suite.  I get the
impression from comments like that one that they do, but then the same
information could be conveyed by the Boardroom meetings, which are
apparently much longer than what we see.


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Aaron

From nobody Sat Jan 31 17:15:39 2004
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Are there any shows you watch twice a week?
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"Alex Wai" <awai@sympatico.ca> writes:

> Just wondering if anyone out there thinks any show is good enough
> that not only do you watch it when it airs, but you tape it and
> watch it again before the following week.

The Amazing Race.  Partly to catch details I missed the first time for
online discussion purposes, and partly because it's just that good.


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Aaron

From nobody Sat Jan 31 17:21:33 2004
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: The Apprentice on-topic in alt.tv.reality
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Maureen Goldman <inkslinger@FOGsunshine.net> writes:

> alt.tv.reality isn't included in the Supernews group, I'm afraid.

Yeah, I don't think it's propagated very well at all.  If it were, it
would surely be busy enough that no one show would be able to "take it
over."

> Anyway, it isn't as though there are a huge number of Apprentice
> messages in rec.arts.tv. The group was swamped during the first
> Survivor and Big Brother outings; this is very mild.

The Apprentice forum over at TWoP is pretty busy, so that probably
makes a difference.  Although all their forums seem to be down this
weekend.


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Aaron

From nobody Sat Jan 31 17:28:44 2004
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Yet Another Politically Biased News Show
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rgormannospam@telusplanet.net (David Johnston) writes:

> Dennis Miller is not a journalist.  He's a comedian.  
> He is not going to have a news show.  He's going
> to have a talk show.  Hence, there are no rules
> of journalism that apply.  

Just like Larry King.  Except for the comedian part.


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Aaron

From nobody Sun Feb  1 17:43:35 2004
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Unaired Nikki episodes
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S John M-M <a.t.a-s@intrex.net> writes:

>>She's a regular on "Las Vegas".  Originally her character was
>>supposed to be a call girl, but she seems to have morphed into a
>>casino hostess.

> Ok, who plays the boss guy's daughter. I thought that was her.

That's Molly Sims.  It's easy to tell them apart; Nikki Cox is the one
with some acting talent.


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Aaron

From nobody Sun Feb  1 17:51:42 2004
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: The Apprentice - Bowie
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archer1267@yahoo.com (Wendy) writes:

> I completely agree but for the looks part. (And I'm a person with
> extra upholstery.) If this was going to come down to a beauty
> contest, I don't think Bowie would have made the cast to begin with.

Exactly.  The producers obviously chose not to cast any women who were
at all overweight.  If they didn't want any fat guys, they could have
done the same thing with them.


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Aaron

From nobody Mon Feb  2 16:55:02 2004
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Phil's take on the Super Bowl
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"BugBarbecue" <drak1223@verizon.net> writes:

> As for the halftime show...Totally sucked.  I wonder how many
> Right-wing talkshow hosts will be fuming over Kid Rock using and
> actual american flag cut down the middle as a poncho....then
> throwing it to the ground...very disrespectful.

Do you have to be right-wing to find that kind of treatment of the
flag disrespectful?


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Aaron

From nobody Tue Feb  3 18:59:15 2004
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv,alt.tv.survivor,alt.music.pearl-jam
Subject: Re: men vs women - reasons for the results.
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"JohnG" <johnmd20@NOSPAMix.netcom.com> writes:

>> 3.Every contestent is supposed to have an IQ of more then 200

> That is the funniest thing I have ever read in this group.  "More
> than" 200, even. . . .

Yeah, that was just Trump's penchant for yooge exaggeration where
anything he owns is concerned.  A 200 IQ is the 99.999999999th
percentile.  There probably aren't 16 people with 200+ IQs in the
entire USA.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Wed Feb  4 05:39:46 2004
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv,alt.tv.survivor,alt.music.pearl-jam
Subject: Re: men vs women - reasons for the results.
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dimlan17@yahoo.com (David) writes:

> Hilarious. 2 different people not realizing that John was pointing
> out a spelling error.

Guess I've been on Usenet too long; I don't even notice most spelling
errors anymore.


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Aaron

From nobody Wed Feb  4 10:36:12 2004
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: TiVo says Janet's flash was biggest moment ever
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kenny@panix.com (Kenneth Crudup) writes:

> "Brandy  Alexandre" <brandy@kamikaze.org > says:
>>Being able to track what I'm watching and what I'm doing is
>>precisely why TiVo will never be permitted in my house.

> Two words: "aggregate data". They couldn't care less about exactly
> what *you* are doing unless you fully opt-in (as I have).

True, but I'm still surprised TiVo would make an announcement like
this that reminds people just how much data they're collecting.  I
don't suppose most TiVo owners thought it was tracking minutiae like
when and how often they pause and replay something.


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Aaron

From nobody Thu Feb  5 11:45:19 2004
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: AOL wants CBS to refund halftime cost
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kenny@panix.com (Kenneth Crudup) writes:

> dimlan17@yahoo.com (David) says:
>>America Online has canceled plans to stream on-demand the halftime
>>show that it reportedly paid $7.5 million to sponsor.

> They've gotta be kidding- wouldn't downloads *increase* for this
> show?

That's probably what they're worried about -- their servers won't be
able to handle the load.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Thu Feb  5 12:05:16 2004
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Subject: Re: Honestly, I'm more pissed at Kid Rock...
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"Moviesounds.com" <aarrowstar@yahoo.com> writes:

> for turning the American Flag, which hundreds of thousands of
> soldiers lived and died for, into a poncho.

I don't think most people nowadays are even aware that such a thing as
flag etiquette exists.  Willie Nelson's been wearing the flag as a
bandanna for years, and country music fans, who tend to be pretty
patriotic, don't seem to care.  Last time I was at a parade and the
color guard went by, I think less than half the people stood, and very
few saluted or put their hands over their hearts.  People just don't
know.


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Aaron

From nobody Thu Feb  5 12:08:19 2004
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Best Superbowl ad
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wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) writes:

> "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> said:

>> The best Superbowl ad I saw was clearly the Nextel ad with Dale
>> Earnhardt being called in to play in a football game

> Sorry, I just thought that it was really dumb.

Agreed.  But then I don't care about Nascar.  I can't recall any ads I
thought were especially good.  


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Thu Feb  5 12:10:41 2004
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: America uptight about Breasts
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kbuck40088@aol.comnospam (KBuck40088) writes:

>>Which is the original point:  "America uptight about breasts"

> We are also uptight about women shaving under their arms, regular
> bathing and good dental care. Deal with it.

Yeah.  We don't find it necessary to try out fascist or communist
dictatorship as our method of government every few decades, either.


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Aaron

From nobody Thu Feb  5 12:15:52 2004
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Subject: Re: NHL ratings may send it to cable
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"Laddy" <laddy1950@hotmail.com> writes:

> FIGHTING
>
> NHL: Five-minute penalty.
>
> Olympic: Ejection.

That's just not right.  Pansy furriners.

> ICING:
>
> NHL: Defending team must touch puck.
>
> Olympic: Icing when puck crosses goal line.

The majority of icing situations are very dull, so I can see trying to
eliminate them.  But every once in a while an offensive player is able
to beat the defense to the puck, and that's an exciting play I'd hate
to see eliminated.

> TWO-LINE PASSES
>
> NHL: Offsides for two-line passes.
>
> Olympic: Two-line passes are allowed.

This would probably be the biggest change, as far as opening up the
middle and encouraging more offense.

> OFFSIDES
>
> NHL: Players must clear offensive zone until puck clears zone.
>
> Olympic: Players must clear zone, but then can attack (tag-up rule)
> again.

Interesting; I hadn't heard that one.  Sounds like a good idea.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Sat Feb  7 06:33:02 2004
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: NBC renews "Apprentice"
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Newton Wai <wai@wald.ucdavis.edu> writes:

> While the people mentioned are very successful (more so than Trump,
> IMHO), they won't make good TV since Trump is a celebrity (not to
> mention that Eisner works for Disney, owner of a rival network).

Yeah, I wouldn't quite say Trump makes the show, but he's essential to
it.  He's credible as a businessman, but he's also a celebrity.  He
does a good job on the show, with a good mix of humor and seriousness,
and his reasons for his firings have been solid.  Yet he's got bizarre
qualities -- the Hair, claiming everything he owns is the bestest
ever, painting his entire apartment with gold leaf -- that make him
fun to laugh at too.


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Aaron

From nobody Sat Feb  7 06:37:12 2004
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: CBS's Karma My point was
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crg903@webtv.net (clint gandy) writes:

> Isn't it funny that it happened to the overly cautious CBS.

Considering the reaction of their customers, it looks like their
caution has been warranted.


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Aaron

From nobody Sat Feb  7 06:40:00 2004
Newsgroups: alt.tv.survivor,rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: OP: Apprentice... what product would YOU have sold at the flea
 market?
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natch@my-deja.com (natch) writes:

> Are any of the contestants New Yorkers? I would think not they may
> have an advantage.

Kwame and Ereka both claim to know their way around NYC, although I
don't know if either of them lives there now or grew up there.  So far
they've always been on opposite teams.


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Aaron

From nobody Sat Feb  7 06:51:05 2004
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: The Apprentice:  Discuss
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ndooley@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu (Nancy Dooley) writes:

> Anyone surprised at the end of the program last night, who was
> fired?  I certainly wasn't.  I think Kristi was trying too hard to
> take Jessie's advice and just absolutely clammed up...poor thing.
> No defense, whatsoever.  Jessie said talk when Trump talks to you
> directly, and still Kristi couldn't talk.

Kristi knew that ultimately she *was* responsible for the loss.  She
said as much on the balcony, when she said no one else did anything
particularly wrong that she could put the blame on.  I think as much
as she wanted to stay in the game, she knew she deserved to be fired,
so her heart just wasn't in her defense.  She even looked disheveled
and downcast in the boardroom as if she was just waiting for the axe.

In the two cases where someone other than the project manager was
fired, it was because one of the other players did a poor job in the
boardroom, and Trump thought the manager had potential enough to get
another chance.  David tried to avoid having any opinions or
responsibility by saying he wasn't in sales.  Bowie waffled on the
issue of the ethics of Kwame's autograph stunt.  

Trump really seemed to want to keep Kristi, but neither of the other
two screwed up like David and Bowie.  As despicable as I find them,
Omarosa and Heidi both defended themselves well in the boardroom, and
didn't give Trump any excuse to switch his firing focus to them.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Sat Feb  7 07:07:17 2004
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Subject: Re: The Apprentice:  Discuss
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void@no.spam.com (void) writes:

> Now where was this supposed Betrayal that all the previews
> mentioned?  In the previews, they showed Donald saying "I just don't
> get it" as if he was saying that to the betrayer.  But that was not
> the case.

I think they might have gotten the promos mixed up a little.  They're
still predicting a betrayal for next week.

> Some people think Jesse betrayed Kristi when Donald asked her what
> went wrong and Jesse said that the problem was management.  When we
> saw Kristi and Jesse strategizing on what to say in the boardroom, I
> don't remember Jesse ever telling Kristi that she would be
> supportive of her.

It was implied.  When the scene starts with the two of them in the
park, Jesse says something like, "When I say what I say in the
boardroom, it's not going to be for you, it's going to be for me,
because I need you to stay in the game.  I don't want to be here
without you."  That pretty clearly implies that she's going to speak
up on Kristi's behalf.

> If my memory is correct, then Jesse didn't betray Kristi.  She was
> only giving her honest opinion on why the team failed.  But then we
> saw Kristi shaking her head when Jesse blamed her, so maybe I missed
> something.

A lot of boardroom stuff is edited out.  Jesse may very well have
praised Kristi's talents, but when Trump pinned her down and made her
give an opinion on this loss, she had to admit it was management's
fault.  After all, that's what Kristi said was the problem, so it'd be
hard to argue otherwise.  It's really hard to say.

> So if Jesse really betrayed Kristi and Kristi realized it, then why
> did she not bring Jesse with her into the boardroom instead of
> Heidi?  Just before she selected Heidi, she said something like
> "This is only because I have to make choice" which suggested that
> she thought the remaining people were all equally at fault.  So if
> everyone else is equally to blame, why not take Jesse, who just
> backstabbed you?

Maybe because she liked Jesse, and figured she'd still rather see her
win than the other two women.  She might have figured by that point
the decision was made, so it was just as well that Jesse protected
herself.

> I am surprised that in the preview for next week, everyone in the
> suite is shocked when they see Omarosa walk in.  I mean sure,
> Omarosa handled the money so a case could have been made for her to
> get fired (although the missing money wouldn't have given the team
> the win), but to think that she would have definitely been fired is
> a real stretch.

I think it's mainly shock that Kristi *was* fired.  Remember the scene
in the car, where Nick said no way would Trump fire her, that he'd
keep her based on potential, and everyone else seemed to agree.  Plus,
that's what they all *wanted*, because the other two are disruptive
and depressing.  So when Heidi walked in, they all assumed Kristi
would be behind her.  If Omarosa had walked in first, I'll bet Heidi
would have received shocked silence.  (Although I don't think Omarosa
would have gotten the same cheer, because she's made sure no one likes
her.)


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Sat Feb  7 07:36:49 2004
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Booger is God?
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Captain Infinity <Infinity@world.std.com> writes:

> It was quite a shock seeing Curtis Armstrong doing a walk-on as God
> in tonight's Joan of Arcadia.  How the mighty have fallen.  He must
> need the work; has he done *anything* since the Nerds movies?  Wait,
> I remember he was in an episode of Sabrina...but he was a nerd
> there, too.  When did he start to appear Godlike in the eyes of
> casting directors?

He was great as a stoner/slacker in the old movie "Better Off Dead"
with John Cusack.  "I've been going to this high school for seven
years.  I'm no dummy."


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Aaron

From nobody Sat Feb  7 07:39:59 2004
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Subject: Re: Anyone hate the Antique genre besides me?
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dirtydog48@aol.com (DirtyDog48) writes:

> Does BBC's "Lovejoy" qualify as part of the antique genre?
>
> For those who haven't seen it, the Lovejoy character is an antique
> dealer in Britain who combines treasure-hunting with a bit of
> mischievous larceny.

The books are good too, although I haven't seen the TV show, so I
can't say how they compare or whether they follow the same stories.


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Aaron

From nobody Sat Feb  7 07:48:46 2004
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: The Apprentice 2/5
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boshu22@STOPSPAMyahoo.com (Felonious Monk) writes:

> Does anyone think Jessi was intentionally screwing over Kristi with
> the advice to "keep quiet"?

No.  It just makes no sense for Jesse to try to get Kristi fired.
Kristi would never have taken Jesse to the boardroom, and she confided
in Jesse and followed her advice.  Why get rid of her?  Now Jesse is
the odd man out on her team.  Everyone else has a tie to someone else:
Troy and Kwame are the only men on their team, and they were partners
in the autograph thing; Omarosa and Heidi are forming a Bond of
Bitchitude.  Everyone's still going to think of Jesse as "Kristi's
friend."  

This isn't Survivor, so being alone isn't going to get her voted out,
but it probably does mean she'll be in the boardroom next time her
team loses, even if she didn't do anything especially wrong.  

> It certainly seemed that way when you couple it with how she
> responded "it was the leadership" when Trump asked her what
> happened.

That looked like she saw which way the wind was blowing, and decided
to protect herself.  Since Kristi wasn't defending herself, it would
have looked silly for someone else to do it.  


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Aaron

From nobody Mon Feb  9 17:11:35 2004
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv,rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: SF shows with real endings?
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Jerry Brown <jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.RemoveThisBitToReply> writes:

> Also, The Adventures of Brisco County Jnr completely resolved the
> 'orbs from the future' story arc started in the pilot and was a
> couple of episodes into a new, less SF-oriented (IIRC), arc at the
> time it was cancelled.

That was all part of the single season it lasted, although the show
changed so much after Bly was gone that I always thought it started a
second season too, until I looked it up.  Brisco killed Bly and the
orbs went back to the future in episode 20.  The season ends with a
two-parter (26 and 27), "High Treason", guest-starring Terry Bradshaw
and a whole pile of football puns.  I don't think the final episode
really wrapped up anything other than what was happening in that
episode, though.

Great show.  I miss Dixie Cousins.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Wed Feb 11 07:42:27 2004
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Subject: Re: TiVo says Janet's flash was biggest moment ever
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Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> writes:

> Nothing having to do with TV recording/playback would be in the
> Linux kernel.

Extra kernel modules are needed for the chip that does the on-the-fly
video compression/decompression.  I believe that chip is the only
proprietary piece of equipment in a Tivo; everything else is standard
PC hardware.  I also seem to recall hearing that they use a custom
filesystem, which probably has a kernel module.

> I doubt very much that TiVo has made the service-specific part 
> of their software available to the public.

I've always gotten the impression that *all* the code is GPL, but I
don't know for sure.  You can check it out here if you're interested:
<http://www.tivo.com/linux/index.html>.  Or do like someone else said
and build your own system with a PC, TV card, and the free MythTV
software. Then you'll never have to worry about anyone tracking your
usage.  That's what I'm planning on -- not because I'm worried about
anyone tracking me, but because I'm cheap.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Wed Feb 11 15:33:17 2004
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Subject: Re: What liberal media?
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lazarus <lazarus33pjf@cox.net> writes:

> And this explains why the media was all over the AWOL story back in
> 2000, right?  Right?

They just /lean/ left; they aren't *completely* insane.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Wed Feb 11 18:32:09 2004
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Time to ban all prescription drug advertising from TV?
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"Jude Cormier" <jhc86@hotmail.com> writes:

> Listening to the side effects alone makes one wonder if you should
> even bother taking the drug to begin with i.e.  "In some cases,
> nausea or stomach bleeding should be expected. In rare cases, death
> may result."

I've wondered at times if, since they're required to mention the side
effects, some ads try to make them sound extra scary.  As if viewers
are going to say, "Wow, must be powerful stuff if you have to be that
careful with it.  Better get me some."

Paul Gilmartin did a great stand-up or radio bit called "Gropecia"
(sp?) once, as a takeoff on the hair-growth Propecia, which had an ad
saying that pregnant women shouldn't even handle the tablets.  It was
pretty hilarious, but I've been unable to find it online.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Wed Feb 11 18:59:35 2004
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Subject: Re: What liberal media?
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lazarus <lazarus33pjf@cox.net> writes:

> So, they're covering it now because they /have/ gone insane?

No, now the context has changed.  In 2000, the outgoing President, who
got elected and stayed in power partly due to strong support from the
media, was a draft-dodger who loathed the US military and actively
protested against it from the safety of foreign soil.  Since the media
and the voters didn't have a problem with that, why would they have a
problem with Bush technically being AWOL once?  Compared to Clinton,
against whose legacy Bush was running in the person of Gore, accusing
Bush of being AWOL would have been like putting the fact that he once
kissed a woman not his wife on the front page.

Now it's different, because Bush has sent soldiers to war, which
brings a possible hypocrisy issue into it.  And the Clinton
comparisons have had four years to fade.  Of course, Clinton sent
soldiers to war too, including those UN-run quagmires known as Bosnia
and Kosovo, but we've forgotten that.

I'm not a big Bush fan; in fact, I'd have a hard time naming one thing
he's handled well *besides* foreign policy.  I'm disgusted with his
big spending and his ignoring of our borders.  If his opponent
promised to get serious about stopping *illegal* immigration and
punishing companies that take advantage of it, and I thought he meant
it, I'd probably vote Democrat for the first time in my life.

But I think the Bush-haters need to come up with something better than
some old paperwork if they want to take him down.  Trust me, we
Clinton haters went down that road for eight years, and it just leads
to frustration.  People didn't care about the details then, and I
don't think they're going to care any more now, even if the press does
push the issue.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Thu Feb 12 08:47:07 2004
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: TiVo says Janet's flash was biggest moment ever
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Roy Knable <roy@hellvision.com> writes:

> That's a little too cheap. You can get a Series 1 20-hour TiVo that
> will work without a subscription or phone line on eBay for about
> $80, not much more than a TV card. Granted, you'll probably need to
> buy a decent size hard drive for it, but you'll want to do that with
> a PC PVR anyway because your existing drive is probably not big
> enough for the video files. And the advantage of the TiVo is that
> it's a dedicated machine. It's always on, so you don't have to turn
> your PC on just to watch TV. Being always on, the 30-minute buffer
> is always available. It can be put in the living room next to the TV
> where most PCs aren't.

All good points for the typical home user.  But in my case, I've got
spare PCs, and I prefer to leave them on full-time anyway.  I can
stick the PC PVR on top on the TV and easily network it to my other
machines, so it can access the 200GB or so of drive space I've got
in other machines for long-term storage.  With a PC PVR, if I download
video or music off the net to my workstation, I can just copy it over
to the PVR and play it.  I could also get a DVD burner for a PC, which
I don't know if you can do with a cheap TiVo.

But mostly I want to do it because it sounds cool. 


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Fri Feb 13 06:53:16 2004
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Subject: Re: TiVo says Janet's flash was biggest moment ever
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Guardsman <spear@net.invalid> writes:

> That said, I've been using my MythTV system for more than a year and
> have been very happy with it -- two tuner cards, >300GB of storage,
> commercial detection, various plugins, ... with more features
> getting added all the time.

What tuner cards are you using?  From reading the MythTV docs, I get
the impression the Hauppauge 350 is the way to go, since it'll do all
the video/audio ins and outs, and I won't need any other video or
sound cards or a separate monitor besides the TV.  It also does all
the compression in hardware, which is good because while I've got
plenty of disk space, I don't have tons of CPU power.  (The system
I'll be using is a 1Ghz Pentium.)


Thanks,
-- 
Aaron

From nobody Sat Feb 14 11:36:23 2004
Newsgroups: alt.tv.survivor,rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Jessie, The Apprentice
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finezer54@earthlink.net (Steve Fine) writes:

> I cannot fathom why Trump does half of what he does. If he is really
> looking for a good employee, the Omarosa person would be gone in a
> second.

Omarosa has survived the last two weeks the same way Sam survived the
first two: there was someone else in the Boardroom who also deserved
to be fired, but who was less interesting for TV.  I think Trump
basically uses whether the person will make interesting TV next week
as a tiebreaker.  "Well, I can't fire both of them today, so I might
as well get rid of the boring one and keep the spaz for another week."

I don't think he'd fire a promising candidate for the sake of keeping
around a ratings-hound, though, which is why Sam didn't last past week
three, and why Omarosa will be gone the first time she goes to the
boardroom with two people who don't screw it up.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Sat Feb 14 11:38:36 2004
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: KFC=Kitchen Fresh Chicken??
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Arthur Lipscomb <aalipscomb@ucdavis.edu> writes:

> Reminds me of when McDonalds starting selling "frozen yogurt" which
> in reality was the same ice cream they were previously selling.  One
> day I ordered one ice cream and one frozen yogurt.  Of course the
> employee made both from the same machine.

Really?  But frozen yogurt and ice cream are definitely *not* the same
thing.

> And what's with UPS calling itself "Brown"?  Are people out their
> really calling UPS Brown, or is the company making a sorry attempt
> to change its name?

And why does it bug me so much when people say it?  I can't explain
why, but it makes me cringe.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Sat Feb 14 11:41:06 2004
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: KFC=Kitchen Fresh Chicken??
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leasley@netexas.net (Lexy) writes:

> Maybe I need to lighten up,but the idea of the famous REAL Harland
> Sanders being turned into a cartoon mascot is  tacky,not to mention
> offensive to his family.Can you imagine what its like for them?How 
> would those corporate heads feel if one of their deceased relatives
> was turned into an animated mascot?

Wealthy?


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Sat Feb 14 11:44:49 2004
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: KFC=Kitchen Fresh Chicken??
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bz811@go.com (888eight888) writes:

> geez...I'd hate to gross people out...I heard the original name
> change had to do with that they weren't allowed to say "chicken" in
> their name because "KFC" was technically not chicken being the
> product was cloned/harvested/headless chickens produced just for the
> meat...

This doesn't even make sense.  Cut its head off and chop it up, it's
still a chicken.  Is anyone saying the burger places can't call their
products "beef" unless they sell you the whole cow?


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Sun Feb 15 17:10:28 2004
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: CBS in trouble again, Grammys called racist
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"Dr.Phil McGRaw" <phil@drphil.com> writes:

> people are too PC these days. Screw um - they have a choice - TURN
> OFF THE TV

No, they have another choice: complain to the networks and the
advertisers to try to get them to stick to content the viewers like.
That's a free society at work, supply and demand between seller and
buyer -- not a system where a small group does whatever the hell it
wants and everyone else averts their eyes.

(For the record, I have no idea what happened at the Grammys, and I
don't care; the point stands.)


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Tue Feb 17 16:56:38 2004
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Spin off of NBC's Las Vegas?
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"Ian J. Ball" <ijball***SPAM-No***@mac.com.invalid> writes:

> And yet Cox is still coming out of this better than either Vanessa
> Marcil or Molly Sims (the latter, especially, seems like a mere
> afterthought).

Molly Sims is simply awful.  I'm normally a sucker for tall blondes,
but her acting is so terrible it makes her downright unappealing.  And
that's saying something, considering this show isn't exactly packed
with great thespians.  It's not the kind of show that needs great
actors, but I've seen better than Sims in grade school plays.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Wed Feb 18 10:06:58 2004
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: las vegas: wet t-shirt
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pimpinit@socal.com (Manny) writes:

> I saw the wet t-shirt contest on Las Vegas.  Is it ok to show this
> stuff on TV?

The contestants were gorgeous, but that had to be the least lascivious
web t-shirt contest in history.  Those must have been some very thick
t-shirts, to be wet and still reveal no more than they showed dry.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Wed Feb 18 10:09:45 2004
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Petersen Plans to Leave CSI
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holefamily1@webtv.net (The Ghost of Grandpa Hole) writes:

>>CSI: Crime Scene Investigation star and
>>producer William Petersen is 
>>considering quitting the show next year. 

Is David Duchovny still looking for work?


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Thu Feb 19 07:42:00 2004
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Subject: Re: Spin off of NBC's Las Vegas?
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riud@email.com (WQ) writes:

> --- Actually, I thought Dennis Hopper - a "seasoned pro" - was far
> worse in that backdoor pilot episode than Sims.  I couldn't get a
> handle on the kind of character he was supposed to be and there was
> just no conviction in anything he said.  Not to mention that he also
> came across stiffer than a sheet of steel and made Sims look like
> she's mastered method acting by comparison.

Yeah, he was pretty bad.  I think he would have bothered me more if I
could have understood half of what he mumbled.  (And I loved the movie
Space Truckers, so I don't have a problem with cheesy Dennis Hopper.)

But Sims is there every week, like a bad toothache.  You just know
that sooner or later she's going to cruise across the screen,
haltingly read something vapid off a cue card, and cruise off.

> The show as well has become distressingly inconsistent in its
> quality and has a cheaper look about it now.  The Van Damme and Alec
> Baldwin episodes were probably the best in the last two months, but
> still fall short of the original tone and style of the series' first
> five episodes.  What happened after the 5th episode?  Did Zucker
> really think it would come across better as a kind of "Love Boat,
> Casino Style"?

Yeah, I thought that last good episode was the one with Baldwin (whom
I hate normally).  The plot generally made sense and everyone had
something to do.  I enjoy the cheesiness of the show; it's a nice
change of pace from all the dead-serious crime shows these days.  But
there still needs to be a discernible plot without too many gaping
holes.  Some continuity would be nice too, especially with Danny's
character.

One thing I liked in the pilot that I think they should bring back was
Danny's narration.  It reminded me a little of Magnum p.i., another
great show that had a lot of fun and didn't take itself too seriously,
while still doing interesting stories most of the time.  Danny's
obviously the straight man here, so it works better when we see things
through his eyes.  Lately, with the way he seems to have his eye on a
different woman each week, we have no idea what's going on inside his
head, which hurts the show.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Thu Feb 19 07:45:50 2004
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Petersen Plans to Leave CSI
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Anna <santo.mantua@sympatico.ca> writes:

> However, if Peterson is determined to leave, Duchovny would be a
> wonderful replacement.  I'd bet the chemistry with Helgenberger
> would be mind-blowing ;-)

I'm not a big fan of Helgenberger, so I was hoping they could get
Gillian Anderson too.  As far as I know, she hasn't exactly been
putting out the blockbusters either.  I've always thought of CSI as
X-Files without the aliens and conspiracies anyway, what with the
similarities in personality between Mulder and Grissom, and the way
it's dark almost everywhere they go.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Thu Feb 19 07:48:10 2004
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Apprentice rerun?
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Marcia Rovins <spamlessinlasvegas@cox.net> writes:

> Anyone have a clue why they reran last week's Apprentice?  Sweeps
> sure aint what it used to be.

Because a rerun of The Apprentice is better than a first-run of most
of NBC's stuff.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Mon Feb 23 05:15:45 2004
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies.current-films,rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Lost in translation
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"Ken from Chicago" <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> writes:

> But it occurred to me that maybe, just perhaps, could it be
> . . . possible .  . . that there might be . . . oh . . . one or two
> . . . common American phrases or figures of speech that might
> confuse or maybe even amuse non-Americans?

<http://www.engrish.com/>


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Mon Feb 23 05:44:15 2004
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Diane Sawyer's Mel Gibson Interview
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jimmyzed@sbcglobal.net (jimmyz) writes:

> What exactly is the purpose of the complaints of anti-Semitism
> against this film?

> To censor it? To ban it?

To keep people from seeing it in one way or another.  Pressure
theaters to turn it down; convince people they shouldn't see it;
whatever it takes.  Same way community groups ban together once in a
while to try to keep the latest "Showgirls" type movie out of local
theaters.

Of course, just like often happens in those cases, the people trying
so hard to build controversy here (mostly just by shouting the word
'controversial' over and over) are just providing great buzz for the
movie in the long run.

> Should we stop saying that Islam is responsible for most of
> terrorism the world is suffering today because Muslims don't want it
> to be said?

According to our President Bush, yes.  Islam has absolutely nothing to
do with it.  In fact, terrorism runs completely counter to the
Religion of Peace.

This uproar about Gibson has to be the biggest to-do about nothing in
ages.  When Heston starred in Ten Commandments, did people protest
that it showed Egyptians in a bad light?  

What really bugs the people who are so against this movie is that
Gibson *believes*, and his movie may bring others to believe, or
strengthen their faith.  It's one thing for us Neanderthals out here
in fly-over country to stick to our old-fashioned religions, but
smart, talented, good-looking, rich Hollywood types are supposed to be
above that.  If they get a yearning for some sort of higher power,
they're supposed to at least be hip enough to go for something obscure
that doesn't stress about sin or rules, not a Church that white-haired
quilting grandmas all over the country attend faithfully.

If Gibson were a struggling nobody of a director who made a movie
where Christ was really a con man who was banging Mary Magdalene on
the sly and tricked Judas into taking his place on the Cross, the same
people who are freaking out about this movie would call that
thoughtful art and throw NEA grants at it.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Mon Feb 23 05:50:17 2004
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: OT: Please help how would I do this????????
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neverland@jwgibbs.cchem.berkeley.edu (Pete) writes:

> This command line does it:
>
> 	cat words.txt | tr "," "\n" | sort >sorted.txt

Nice useless use of cat.

    tr "," "\n" <words.txt | sort >sorted.txt


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Wed Feb 25 06:35:53 2004
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: TV norm;  Homely men, attractive women
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archang@sfu.ca (Andrew Ryan Chang) writes:

> 	Pretty much every single girlfriend or date on Drew Carey...

No kidding.  I pretty much lost interest in that show after the first
episode I saw (the pilot, I think).  Drew was dating this gorgeous
girl with an incredibly sultry voice -- the kind of girl a guy like
him (without his wealth and fame) would never get near in real life.
She started working at his company, which had a no-dating-co-workers
policy, so he broke up with her when he had to choose between his
relationship and his job.  Never mind the fact that the main theme of
the show was how much he hated his easily-replaced cubicle-jockey job
anyway.  It was just stupid.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Wed Feb 25 06:41:49 2004
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Subject: Re: Andy Rooney is a has-been clown
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wishy13764@aol.com (Wishy13764) writes:

> I like Andy Rooney's humor, and look forward to it each time. Most
> of what he says has a ring of truth.

Too bad you have to dig through so much of his crap to find it.  He's
amusing sometimes when he talks about stuff that doesn't matter, like
labels on shampoo.  It's just when he gets on politics that he sounds
like he and Ted Kennedy got really drunk and wrote his script
together.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Wed Feb 25 06:46:51 2004
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: "Scrubs" 2/24 Shocker (spoiler, yes there be one)
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holefamily1@webtv.net (The Ghost of Grandpa Hole) writes:

> They killed off Brendan Fraser!!! :~( WoW!

That was quite a powerful episode.  It took me completely by surprise,
even though I'd heard speculation he'd be dying.  When Cox suddenly
realized they were at a cemetery, my first thought was that Jack had
died, and he had completely flipped out so much he'd blocked it from
his mind.  Then I saw the picture on the casket, and realized he *had*
sort of flipped out, but in a whole different way.

It's going to be interesting watching this episode again and seeing
the clues to what's really going on.

Great, great show.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Wed Feb 25 06:51:10 2004
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Scrubs tonight, no spoiler
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muzicmakr@yahoo.com (michelle) writes:

> I happened to watch tonight's episode with Brendan Fraser.
> Excellent!  I'm not a regular viewer, so I didn't know what to
> expect.  Wow.

Well, that was an exceptional episode, so don't expect them to all be
*that* good.  It's generally a good show, though, and the only sitcom
I watch.  I'd say last night's is probably the best episode yet, and
totally makes up for a bit of a drop in quality this season.  They've
still got it.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Wed Feb 25 22:06:22 2004
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Scrubs tonight, no spoiler
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drpimpdaddi@aol.complaint (He Hate Retards) writes:

> You mean the toilet on the roof wasn't a good episode?

Not particularly.  There's wacky, and then there's just dumb.  Plus,
after all the hype about Fox's guest appearance, the actual episodes
were a bit of a let-down.


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Aaron

From nobody Tue Mar  2 06:36:25 2004
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Gillian Anderson in a CSI : New York series ?
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gaz201@hotmail.com (Jeff   Stanton) writes:

> Don't flame me, as I only read it in a magazine and am unsure how
> true it really is, but I read a CSI New York spin off is being
> seriously planned and Gillian Anderson's name has been mentioned as
> being a possible star of it.

If it happens, I want my cut, since I suggested this a few weeks ago.
Actually, I suggested her as a replacement for Helgenberger, but close
enough, right? 

> The New York concept will apparently only have two main characters,
> unlike the other two CSI's.  Gillian sadly hasn't had a notable
> acting gig other than XF in quite a while, but I hope she doesn't
> take it on, as this territory she's covered before.

Anything that gets Gillian Anderson back on my TV is a good thing.
Make her a blonde, and I'll watch even if it's as bad as CSI:Miami.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Tue Mar  2 06:44:04 2004
Newsgroups: alt.gossip.celebrities,rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Average Joe: I Don't Get It
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"Johnny C" <nospam@nospam.net> writes:

> It's Fabio.  Come on.  I totally felt for Gil.  I won't be able to
> look her in the eyes.  My opinion of her totally was shattered when
> I first heard that on the Tonight Show.  Fabio.

Maybe you can explain it to me then, because I don't get it either.  I
could see finding it a little strange, but to actually throw a tantrum
and dump her after weeks of pursuit?  It's not like she said she
wanted to name her kids Fabio and Fabia or invite the goof to family
gatherings.  Was Gil threatened by the fact that she'd already had a
man buffer and prettier than him?  My reaction would have been, "Wow,
I always figured he was gay.  Guess not.  So, how'd you crazy kids
meet?"


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Tue Mar  2 06:59:21 2004
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Subject: Re: Average Joe: I Don't Get It
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"Love L.A." <annifran@comcast.net> writes:

> Larissa made a very poor choice choosing "pretty boy" over someone of
> substance who obviously loved her.

The editors must have really hated her for her stupid final choice.
They spent 45 minutes showing us -- mostly in Larissa's own words --
that there was absolutely nothing there of value with Gil.  If there
was any spark or rapport between them that originated above the waist,
the editors kept it well hidden.

Then she picks him anyway, and rationalizes it as 'instinct.'  Well,
yeah, if you mean the instinct that makes you want to mate with the
biggest, strongest, prettiest buck in the herd.  Her parents must be
so proud.  

Of course, that's pretty much how everyone does it on the American
dating scene today: wander around bumping into things until someone
makes our loins tingle, and then hope like hell to find something of
value on the inside of that person.  It's just usually not laid out so
blatantly for us.  This show might be the 'realest' of the reality TV
shows.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Wed Mar  3 10:47:38 2004
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Gillian Anderson in a CSI : New York series ?
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"Templeton Peck" <chestrockwell68@hotmail.com> writes:

> I was with you up until the make her blonde comment. No sir. We got
> enough blondes on TV.

Blasphemy!

> We need more redheads.

Well, yeah, I wouldn't complain about that either.  But they'll have
to do *something* to keep us from thinking "Scully" every time we see
her.


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Aaron

From nobody Wed Mar  3 10:49:33 2004
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Subject: Re: Gillian Anderson in a CSI : New York series ?
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"W. Blaine Dowler" <wdowler@NOSPAMualberta.ca> writes:

> Her X-Files contract prevents her from playing a law enforcement
> officer for three years after the end of The X-Files, or from
> playing an FBI agent for five years, without permission from Fox.
> (It's basically a non-compete clause; similar roles are restricted.)
> This might get in the way, so I wouldn't hold my breath (although
> I'd like to see it happen.)

Aren't CSIs not really cops, though?  That's the impression I've
gotten, but then I only started watching last season.  Might be a
loophole.


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Aaron

From nobody Wed Mar  3 11:02:05 2004
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Larissa, not so awwwwsome after all
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smkmirrors@aol.com (SmkMirrors) writes:

>>I'm waiting for Average Jane.

> This will never bappen. While it is not a problem male bashing in
> hollywood, you will not see women made fun of in the same way as the
> average Joes were.

They could do it, but the male contestant would have to be the victim
of the twists and surprises, not the females.  Otherwise it'd be too
mean-spirited, like you say.  And of course the women would all be
well above average in looks, since Hollywood typically casts someone
like Jeananne Garofalo as an ugly duckling.


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Aaron

From nobody Wed Mar  3 18:59:08 2004
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv,alt.politics
Subject: Re: Another Ploy by The Right
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schumy2@lycos.com (schumy) writes:

> This whole same sex marriage ban announcement charade is a ploy
> timed with the Presidential election this year.

> It's yet another made-up "issue" to get non-rich people to vote for
> Republicans.

I don't care to debate gay marriage here, but I just had to say that
your basic premise is stupid.  Campaign issues can't be "made-up";
either voters care about them or they don't.  If voters care about gay
marriage, then a candidate can only discover it and take advantage of
it, he can't create it.  If voters don't care, he can't use it as an
issue no matter how much he might want to.  Republicans tried to make
Bill Clinton's philandering an issue in 1996 even though voters
repeatedly insisted they didn't care.  Ask Bob Dole how well that
worked out.

What you really mean is: How dare Bush bring up an issue that could
help him win broad-based support!  He's supposed to stay in that
wealthy, tax-cuts-for-the-rich, religious-fundamentalist, racist,
out-of-touch corner we're trying to paint him into, and leave the
popular positions for the Democrats!


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Thu Mar  4 16:02:06 2004
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: why can't conservatives have their own hollywood?
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"D.F. Manno" <dommanno@netscape.net> writes:

> Yeah, all those poor conservatives just can't get a break in
> Hollywood.  I mean people like Arnold Schwarzenegger, Charlton
> Heston, Fred Thompson, Michael Moriarty, Mel Gibson, James Woods,
> Ben Stein, Joan Collins, Rick Schroder, Shannen Doherty, and Bruce
> Willis, just to name a few, are having so much trouble finding
> acting work.

You know, the fact that anyone who makes this argument always whips
out the same list of a dozen people pretty much proves the point
you're trying to argue against.  The exceptions that prove the rule.
I could name a dozen different Hollywood liberals every day for months
without needing to repeat myself.  Not that I particularly *care* that
Hollywood is overwhelmingly left-wing; that's probably the way it
should be.

And how /conservative/ is Arnold really, anyway?  Being a Republican
hardly makes you a conservative, anymore than being a Democrat surely
makes you a liberal.


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Aaron

From nobody Fri Mar  5 06:31:29 2004
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Subject: Re: why can't conservatives have their own hollywood?
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gwangung@u.washington.edu (R. Tang) writes:

> If Hollywood is overwhelmingly left wing, yet right wing actors and
> directors can get work, what is the argument about anti-right wing
> conspiracy anyway?

> Your point may have some validity, but you aren't supporting it 
> very well.

That's because I'm not arguing the point you're ascribing to me.  I
never claimed there was a conspiracy to keep all right wingers out of
Hollywood.  I just said most people in Hollywood are left-wing, which
naturally means most of what they produce has a left-wing bent.
That's about as surprising and controversial as the sun coming up in
the east.  Hauling out a short list of so-called conservatives who
have made it doesn't prove anything otherwise.

I would be interested to know how many Hollywood "conservatives" were
open about their political beliefs *before* they became successful.
Did people know that Arnold, Gibson, and Willis voted Republican back
when they were struggling to break into the business, or did they keep
their political beliefs in the closet until they were proven stars?


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Aaron

From nobody Sat Mar  6 19:41:13 2004
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: APPRENTICE
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twc6@aol.comunardsin (Twc6) writes:

> Except she shouldn't have gone this week, since she was the one
> person on her team to disagree with the artist they chose AND she
> was the one person on her team who managed to sell ANYTHING.

As they say over in rec.sport.baseball, sample size.  When you need
$13,000 to win, there's very little difference between selling one
item for $900 or zero items for $0.  When it only happens once in a
full day of selling, it could be she just lucked into the one customer
who really liked that artist.  She'd have to sell more than one item
to prove she was actually better at it than the others.  

Truth is, they all failed that specific task, so it made sense for
Kwame and Trump to look elsewhere besides the art sales for reasons to
fire someone.  Omarosa has supplied a whole barrel-full of reasons;
Troy hasn't.


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Aaron

From nobody Mon Mar  8 11:42:56 2004
Newsgroups: alt.tv.survivor
Subject: Re: Has the List Held Up? (No Spoilers; Keeping This Vague) [Was
 Re: Probst's Words to Sue & Others Tonight]
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"Caroline" <caroline10027remove@earthlink.net> writes:

> But I am wondering: Are there one or two said to be reliable spoiler
> lists? One from ChillOne; another from some other source?

I haven't actually seen the ChillOne list, but I've heard it's very
similar to the sleek28 list, which I have seen.  It was posted to
rec.arts.tv, and I thought it was just someone's prediction until I
got to the end of it.  The sleek28 list is now 5-for-6, only
predicting #5 wrong -- he picked Jerri, not Hatch.  

However, other things about sleek28's list post-semi-merge don't ring
very true.  He predicts Sue to go #6, but says it's because Lex and
Shii Ann force her out.  They weren't even on the same team.  Surely
anyone with enough inside information to put together a complete boot
list would know why Sue left.

My guess is that the show intentionally leaked a boot list which
started with a lot of accurate things about the first few boots, so
the spoiler sites would all suck it up.  Now, even if a true spoiler
comes out, it'll be harder for people to trust it.  

Either that or someone is just having fun mixing fact and fiction and
seeing how many people can predict which is which.


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Aaron

From nobody Mon Mar  8 12:49:03 2004
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
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Ablang <HilaryDuff4Prez@ablang-duff.com> writes:

>     	The teen fear factor is a great idea, especially when you
> wonder how they would do on the "eating gross stuff" segment of the
> show.  I fear this could never happen due to the fact that teenagers
> aren't allowed to give their own consent, and what parent would
> allow their teen to do this show?

They've already had parent/kid combos on the show.  I'm sure lots of
parents out there would be thrilled to sign their kids up.


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Aaron

From nobody Mon Mar  8 12:51:10 2004
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: 'Average Joe' Finale: I Can't Believe It's Not Better
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anim8rfsk@aol.comNOSPAM (ANIM8Rfsk) writes:

> << Larissa, ever as sharp as a Tic Tac, is able to deduce that Brian
> is talking about himself and not Boston at all. He gives her a
> lobster.  >>

> And she throws it back into the sea - foreshadowing at it's finest.

Except that Brian named the lobsters Gil and Jim, after his
competitors in the final three.  So you could easily take it as
foreshadowing that she was going to reject them and pick Brian.


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Aaron

From nobody Tue Mar  9 09:52:33 2004
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: * Lifetime Cleavage awards @ @    Curtis and Sarandon
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wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) writes:

> (Hey, I'm a 46-year-old white guy and I just used the word "dis" in
> a sentence.  Does that mean that the term is now officially dead?)

I'm a 34-year-old white guy, and I've used it too.  Problem is, I
can't think of a one-word synonym for it.  I don't think 'disrespect'
really has the same meaning.  Everything else I can think of is either
multiple words (put down) or sounds awkward.


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Aaron

From nobody Tue Mar  9 18:01:41 2004
Newsgroups: alt.gossip.celebrities,rec.arts.tv,alt.showbiz.gossip,alt.tv.survivor
Subject: Re: Omarosa
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lucieboone@yahoo.com (lucie) writes:

> Does anybody else wonder why she didn't have any powder, dust,
> residue, whatever in her hair if she was hit with plaster or cement?
> Her hair is black, right? Wouldn't there be a trace of something
> there if she was hit with falling ceiling?

She did brush some plaster dust out of her hair, but that didn't mean
much.  As I recall the scene, her reaction wasn't "Ouch" so much as
"Did I just feel something hit me?"  She reached up and brushed the
dust out of her hair, and realized that, indeed, something had fallen
and hit her hair.  It really was that much of a non-event.


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Aaron

From nobody Wed Mar 10 16:05:27 2004
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: The Next Apprentice?
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milchama@aol.comscalpers (Ian Ian) writes:

> NBC also renewed The Apprentice for a thrid season, but they are
> considering finding another high profile business leader to run it
> instead of Trump.

I don't think it would be nearly as good with someone else.  Trump
just has a perfect combination of seriousness, business acumen, ego,
and over-the-top goofiness that really works well on the show.
There's really no one else like him, or at least no one else who's
recognizable that can fit all those requirements.


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Aaron

From nobody Thu Mar 11 06:22:56 2004
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Bush to learn spanish
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wishy13764@aol.com (Wishy13764) writes:

> so he could try to get more spanish voters to his side. First he has
> to learn english.

He already speaks Spanish.  It's Math he seems to have some trouble
with.  His people seem to think that picking up a few extra percentage
points of the Mexican-American vote is worth losing a few points of the
everyone-else vote.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Thu Mar 11 06:27:13 2004
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Subject: Re: Whoopi, season 2?
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S John M-M <a.t.a-s@intrex.net> writes:

> You actually think that? Granted the show itself, IMO, doesn't
> really showcase her talent... Seinfeld's the only show I can think
> of that managed to sucessfully translate a comedian's presence into
> a sitcom...

I think Tim Allen's show was pretty much a direct translation of his
comedy routine.  I'd probably throw Bill Cosby in there too.

> but, you think Whoopi Goldberg's "a hack"?

I never have thought she was funny, although she was pretty good in
"Loaded Weapon I."


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Sat Mar 13 06:38:18 2004
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: The Apprentice's Kwame - No passengers?
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twc6@aol.comunardsin (Twc6) writes:

> It's the second week in a row Troy has done the exact same
> thing. It's really annoying that Trump and his assistants haven't
> pointed this out, because Ereka was fired for doing the same
> thing. It's interesting that they are giving the guys a pass on
> this, but the women got raked over the coals.

It's completely different (and last week it was Kwame, not Troy).
When Ereka sent Katrina upstairs, she took Bill to the boardroom, and
proceeded to proclaim how great a job Bill did.  She made it obvious
that she was trying to force Trump to fire Nick by using Bill as a
pawn.  Then she made it even more obvious when she admitted that Nick
and Katrina worked as a team on the task, so if he deserved to be
there, so did Katrina.

Heidi and Kwame both did a poor job on this task, so whichever one
Troy picked was a good candidate for firing.  He certainly wasn't
keeping Heidi as a pawn, since that would just get himself fired.
Since they both stunk, and neither one has done anything special in
the past either, Troy used loyalty and friendship as a tie-breaker.
Trump is big on loyalty, so I don't think he'd have a problem with
that.  Ereka put loyalty and friendship first, ahead of all practical
considerations, and she got fired for it.

Also, Kwame stunk at selling rides, but he did handle the finances and
the incentive program, so he contributed something.  Heidi appeared to
contribute nothing, and her embarrassing display in the afternoon,
complete with cursing, might have actually driven away potential
customers.  So you *can* make a case for firing Heidi based on this
task, although it's not as clear-cut as most of the past ones have
been.

And of course, you should never say about reality TV, "So-and-so
didn't do such-and-such."  For all we know, they blasted Troy for
saving Kwame, but we didn't see it because it wasn't as interesting as
the stuff we did see and doesn't have any effect on the game in the
future.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Sat Mar 13 06:55:32 2004
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Subject: Re: Apprentice 3/11
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bklyntv@yahoo.com (Scott) writes:

> I've only been watching since about 1/2 way, but I haven't seen
> Kwame contribute anything.

You didn't miss anything.  In week #1, he picked a spot for their
lemonade stand (since he's the native NYer) which sucked.  In week #2
he gave a lackluster PowerPoint presentation.  In week #4 he was
project manager for the Planet Hollywood task, but you couldn't tell
it because Bill was handling everything while Kwame sold autographs
and merchandise outside.  Most other weeks he's been invisible.

> Katrina's so abrasive.

She really looked disgusted when they won, and even more so when she
found out the reward was going to be spending the whole day with the
team on a yacht.  It really looked like she wanted them to lose so
she could explode on Nick and Bill in the Boardroom, and either take
one of them out or go join her BFF Ereka in Loserville.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Sat Mar 13 07:11:14 2004
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Subject: Re: Apprentice 3/11
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void@no.spam.com writes:

> So Carolyn was talking to Heidi.  No surprise there.  But NBC
> certainly mislead us by suggesting that she provoked Carolyn's
> comment.  No such thing happened; her comment was in response to
> Donald.

I thought after Carolyn made it clear that she wanted Heidi gone,
maybe Trump would fire Troy anyway, so he'd be the one crossing her.
Yeah, sometimes I think the people making the promos just get rumors
about the show third-hand, instead of actually watching it to see what
happens.  It's like when you read a novel, and the people on the cover
don't look anything like the descriptions of the character inside.

> I finally saw something good out of Amy.  It was her idea to plaster
> ads on those carts.  Bill took the idea and ran with it, and it led
> to victory.

Almost every winning idea any team has had so far has come from Amy or
Troy.  Amy came up with the shirts with ribbons in the flea-market
episode; she negotiated for the golf club that won the third episode;
she had the Shooter Girls idea that brought a lot of drinkers into
Planet Hollywood; she was the lead on the team that brought in winning
auction packages from people like Regis Philbin and Carson Daly,
despite having Tammy along screwing things up; and she spent a whole
day with Omarosa and only kicked her three times.  Pretty impressive.

The others don't seem to look to her for leadership the way they do
Troy, though.  Troy was made PM his first week, and he was also the
first one to do it twice and then three times.  When he's not
officially PM, you still see his teammates look to him for advice and
decisions.

> Troy picking Kwame to go up to the suite, especially after his
> comment about how they've agreed to make decisions based on how well
> each other has done, was laughable.  From what they showed, I think
> Heidi did a better job than Kwame.

Based on what?  It looked to me like Kwame did nothing, and Heidi did
less than nothing, with her dancing around cursing.

> It was also a little surprising to see Troy and Heidi get along fine
> after Heidi had called him an a$$hole.

I think she was blowing off a little steam, and didn't really mean
it.  Troy danced around the question of whom to keep long enough for
her to know he *really* didn't want to make that choice, so she didn't
seem to hold it against him.  She probably realized that she really
did deserve to be picked.

> Donald has shown himself to have a poor memory.  Yes, Troy has been
> PM 3 times.  But he has lost only twice (he lost this one and the
> lemonade one, and he won the apartment one), not every time like
> Donald said.  Troy didn't help himself by not pointing out the fact
> that he did win once.  Amy is probably the favorite now, even though
> Troy has probably had more creative ideas than the rest of the
> players combined.

Troy probably pointed out that fact, but it was edited out to fit the
theme of the night, which seemed to be: Apprentice tries to say
something in his own favor; Trump or a Viceroy cuts him off with a
quick pointed comment; Apprentice shuts up and hangs head.
Accompanied by a sort of 'thud' from the sound guys.  There were
several moments like that where an Apprentice seemed to give up way
too easily, so I'm guessing they edited out some protesting to make it
look like more of a one-sided dressing-down.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Sat Mar 13 07:27:07 2004
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Subject: Re: The Next Apprentice?
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bklyntv@yahoo.com (Scott) writes:

> I disagree, reality TV stars are created every day. People who reach
> the top of their profession are very rarely short on personality.

Most viewers don't know most of the people you list, though, whereas
everyone's heard all sorts of stuff about Trump, so viewers have an
idea why they'd want to tune in.  I'll bet a lot of people tuned in to
the first Apprentice simply to see what that weird rich dude was up to
this time.  Then they stuck around because he delivered the goods.
There are lots of people who could do a good job with the show, but
they wouldn't all have the draw Trump has.

> Bloomberg couldn't do it as he's too busy being mayor, but I think
> he'd be good.

People who don't follow politics or live in NY don't know the guy at
all.

> Guiliani's running a consulting firm and he's got a mouth made for
> reality TV.

Not quite ditto Bloomberg, but seems too staid from out here in
fly-over country.  We mostly know him as the stern-but-comforting
administrator who handled 9/11 well and made it safe to be a tourist
in NY again after previous mayors let crime run rampant.  Seems like a
good guy, but not TV-interesting at all.

> Bonnie Fuller, editorial director of American Media (publisher of The
> Star and nearly every other tabloid as well as Men's Fitness and some
> other titles) is a forceful personality and having worked with her
> myself, could DEFINATELY be edited for some compelling TV.

Who?

> While we're on publishing personalities, Anna Wintour anyone?
> (Probably too reserved and chilly, but then that could be fun also.)

See above.

> Steinbrenner's a great suggestion, and has experience having
> appeared on "Seinfeld." (OK, I know, it wasn't really him).

Except that he's actually unlikable in a way that Trump's not.  Trump,
on this show at least, is actually a likable guy with a decent sense
of humor.  That's not to say I think he'd be great to work for, but
for the show, it works.  I'm not sure Steinbrenner could pull that
off.  In his appearance on this show, he just seemed a little creepy
and slow.

> Rupert Murdock? Head of News Corp (FOX, New York Post, etc...)

Like Bloomberg, just a name for most people who've heard of him.

> Jeff Zucker head of NBC? Why not?

Only TV junkies have heard of him.

> Michael Eisner? Assuming he keeps his job long enough to film a
> season.

Almost ditto Zucker.  A little more name recognition, but no clue to
his personality.

> Don't know much about her, but Sherry Lansing is a big Hollywood
> studio chief, and that could be interesting.

Who?

> Bruce Ratner recently bought the NJ nets for $300 million and
> intends to move them to Brooklyn into a new $2.5 Billion
> development. Could be an excellent setting.

Who?

> I hear Martha Stewart may be looking for work!

She might actually be the best one on the list, in terms of
wide-spread name recognition and people tuning in to see if she's
really as /whatever/ as they've heard she is.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Sat Mar 13 07:34:13 2004
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Subject: Re: THE APPRENTICE
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Default User <first.last@boeing.com.invalid> writes:

> It seemed as though they were all surprised that only two would go
> in this time. I would have thought the rules would have been
> explained to them.

You don't watch much reality TV, do you?  It's pretty much a given
that they're going to try to surprise the players a couple times.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Wed Mar 17 10:24:27 2004
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Subject: Re: Crossing Jordan 3/14 23rd Psalm Version?
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"Brandy  Alexandre" <brandy@kamikaze.orgy> writes:

> I agree about jarring.  The "modern" didn't even seem to have the
> correct interpretation from the way I learned it.  And, like I said,
> I don't believe the Catholic church endorses rewrites, especially in
> rituals.

Generally not, although you never know when your local priest or
bishop will decide to ignore the rules and start having interpretive
dance instead of the Gospel or something.  The Church has been trying
to crack down on parishes making up the Mass as they go along, but
Rome is a long ways away.  It doesn't help that the Vatican burned up
a lot of moral authority as far as American Catholics are concerned by
scolding us for overthrowing a dictator who punished dissidents by
throwing them in shredders and putting their children in prison.

Aaaaanyway, my New American Bible, which is used for the Catholic
Mass, has:

  The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want. 
  In verdant pastures he gives me repose;
  Beside restful waters he leads me;
  he refreshes my soul.
  He guides me in right paths
  for his name's sake.
  Even though I walk in the dark valley
  I fear no evil; for you are at my side
  With your rod and your staff
  that give me courage.

We've dropped the thees and thous, but with words like verdant and
repose, it still sounds "churchy."  I'm kind of surprised 'he' isn't
always capitalized, but it's not in my 1970 edition.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Wed Mar 17 18:10:47 2004
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Subject: Re: Tonight's "Century City" premiere
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Roy Knable <roy@hellvision.com> writes:

> I agree with the reviewer in USA Today. Much too preachy, as
> typified by the "father's" how dare you speech.

Initially I was excited to see a futuristic show coming out, but I
never made it past the promos.  They just screamed heavy preachiness
to me.  Looks like I guessed right.

> And don't even get me started on Anthony Zerbe. Watching a 68
> year-old do boy-band dance moves (at least with his hands) is
> nauseating, even if they ripped off "Cocoon" with a bit of
> breakdancing by his double.

Ah, one of my most-hated TV cliches: old people gettin' jiggy.

> Looks like poor Nestor Carbonell has picked another short-lived
> series to follow his few episodes on The Tick.

Too bad; he was good on that show.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Thu Mar 18 06:28:56 2004
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"D.F. Manno" <dommanno@netscape.net> writes:

> I suggest the Vatican's near-total lack of moral authority these
> days is due to pedophile priests, bishops who covered up for them,
> Rome's defense of those bishops, and the church's unbelievably
> callous suggestions that the pedophile priests are the real victims.

You're absolutely right; those things haven't helped either.


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Aaron

From nobody Fri Mar 19 07:05:14 2004
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Subject: Re: 'deux ex machina' and other fashionable terms?
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David Rogoff <david@therogoffs.com> writes:

> That's the point - it sounds really cool in French, but is really
> stupid in English.

Maybe that's John Kerry's problem:  he should be doing all his
speeches in French.


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Aaron

From nobody Fri Mar 19 07:11:41 2004
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Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> writes:

> I'm guessing that the holographic conferencing is relatively new in
> 2030.  When current video-conferencing first started, it was also
> pretty poor quality, but people who wanted to be on the cutting edge
> put up with it.

Heck, we could probably have holographic conferencing now, if anyone
wanted it.  The technology certainly isn't 25 years away.  I know
companies that have expensive video-conferencing equipment gathering
dust while they fly people back and forth across the country every
day, simply because that's what they're comfortable with.


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Aaron

From nobody Mon Mar 22 15:18:17 2004
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dimlan17@yahoo.com (David) writes:

> from abcnews.com
>
> TiVo Will Die
> Three Trends Spell Doom for the Popular Personal Video Recorder
> By Jim Louderback

> Fast-forward to today. Nearly half of what the industry calls
> multichannel homes (those with cable or satellite) receive their TV
> in digital form.

He destroys his own argument right here, but doesn't even realize it
because everyone he knows fits into his "nearly half."  If "nearly
half" have cable or satellite, that means *more than half* don't.  As
long as Radio Shack still sells rooftop antennas, there will be a
market for standalone PVRs.


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Aaron

From nobody Mon Mar 22 15:39:17 2004
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Subject: Re: Donald Trump commercial
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Crowfoot <suzych@swcp.com> writes:

> Watch out; this rich dork will be running for Prez next, now that
> he's got all this air time racked up.

Maybe the Dems could draft him at their convention.  Then John Kerry
could go run for President of France, or Vietnam, or some country he
actually likes.


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Aaron

From nobody Mon Mar 22 17:38:52 2004
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Donna B <shallotpeel@optonline.net> writes:

> He's saying that nearly half of 'however many homes have cable or
> satellite', not that nearly half of us have cable or satellite. The
> number of US homes that do not have either cable or satellite is so
> small that Nielsen et al consider it statistically
> insignificant. I've also heard 98% have|2% don't have. Years ago, 10
> years ago or more, I believe the number was at 80% have|20 % don't.

Cripes.  You'd think I slept through Reading Comprehension 101.  Never
mind.  I didn't realize the number had gotten so low.


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Aaron

From nobody Fri Mar 26 05:40:26 2004
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Subject: Re: Apprentice: Biggest mistake ever promos...
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"Michael H." <mdhalbrook@yahoo.com> writes:

> The inane choice to offer a $300 car RENTAL as a big draw prize.  I
> thought the $1000 the guys were doing was lame, until I saw that
> that was more the 3x what the other team did.

It wasn't a great idea, but biggest mistake ever?  Hardly.  I can
think of several worse ones: Sam keeping his two salesmen, Troy and
Nick, in the suite much of negotiation day; Jason not meeting with the
client; Kwame riding a bike around half the day without a single fare;
Omarosa signing up for the show....

Despite having a much worse idea, Versacorp team still registered far
more gamblers who spent something like 80% as much as Protege's
gamblers.  It was actually one of the closest results yet of the
season, so if Protege's idea was so great, like Trump said, Versacorp
couldn't have been *that* bad.


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Aaron

From nobody Fri Mar 26 05:45:52 2004
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Subject: Re: "The Apprentice" 3/25 Huh?
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holefamily1@webtv.net (NOW STAND BACK YOU ITs Mr Hole) writes:

> What was the deal with the 10 year old they had to negotiate with?
> Some kind of joke, I don't understand.

Basically that they're supposed to be the best of the best --
handpicked from thousands of bright young business people from across
the country -- and they were getting pointers on success from a
10-year-old.


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Aaron

From nobody Fri Mar 26 08:10:24 2004
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Subject: Re: The Apprentice 3/26
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dtschet@yahoo.com (Donna) writes:

> Katrina on this morning's today show gave her opinion ~ She thinks
> Nick will win. She feels he is manipulating Amy to believe that he
> has a crush on her. According to Katrina, he does *not* and is using
> that to derail her ambitions.

It obviously just kills Katrina that Nick likes Amy better than her.
Katrina was flirting with him big-time back at the flea-market task,
and Nick went elsewhere.  In fact, none of the guys showed much
interest in her, which is just not right in her world.  

The sad thing is that she insists Nick and Amy must be playing each
other, and one of them is going to 'win' (the relationship, not the
game).  Apparently in Katrina's world, two people can't just like each
other without ulterior motives.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Fri Mar 26 16:44:35 2004
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Apprentice: Biggest mistake ever promos...
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mike1cheng@yahoo.com (Mike) writes:

> "Why should I meet with the client?  The client has no bearing on
> the ad campaign...the winner is choosen by the AD AGENCY (well
> Donnie), NOT by the client.  So if anything, I should find out what
> Donnie wanted."

Donnie presumably knows the client and will choose the ad campaign he
thinks they'll like, so it still makes sense to meet with them and
feel them out.

There's also the fact that in real life, you'd definitely meet with
the client, so you need to go through those motions in the game just
to show you know that's important.  Maybe in the context of the game
you could shortcut around that, but if you're trying to impress Trump,
you want to show that you'd perform well in real life, not just in the
game.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Sun Mar 28 19:58:51 2004
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: **AMAZING RACE** -Another one?
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"Ekim Miller" <NoSpAm@mEtHanKs.com> writes:

> Are there plans for another 'Amazing Race'?
> Hadn't heard anything but hoping so...

TAR5 is either being run right now or already completed.  CBS is
taking applications for TAR6, for what that's worth.  There's a link
at cbs.com.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Mon Mar 29 07:14:12 2004
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: **AMAZING RACE** -Another one?
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John Duncan Yoyo <john-duncan-yoyo@cox.net> writes:

> AR5 has been run and is due to air this summer.  Figure when the
> current run of Survivor peters out.

About four weeks ago?


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Sat Apr  3 07:55:01 2004
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: APPRENTICE 4/1
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void@no.spam.com writes:

> Let me start out by saying that I remember someone posting about how
> they read an article saying that in the apartment episode (the one
> where Troy's team hadn't signed a lease with anyone with 10 minutes
> to go), the producers sent someone in at the last minute to rent the
> apartment.

That's not what was claimed at all.  The woman who rented the
apartment turned out to be a journalist who had already talked to the
landlord and had a handshake agreement to rent the place for $1200
(the landlord's asking price) before the show came along.  The
landlord agreed later to let the place be used for the show, and told
this renter that if she signed an agreement with the team, he'd honor
his original $1200 offer and ignore whatever amount she agreed to with
Troy's team.  She never claimed that the producers or the players knew
anything about this side-deal.

Her article also said some things that simply can't be true, like the
claim that she was surprised to see herself on TV.  Obviously there
were cameras all around, and she had to have signed a release for her
footage to be shown.  She came off like a TV snob who didn't want her
PBS-only friends to think she willingly got involved in something as
tacky as a Trump reality show.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Sat Apr  3 08:04:11 2004
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: survivor needs reruns----spoiler
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Lord Vader III <lord_vader_iii@hotmail.com> writes:

> Why does everyone keep saying the switch was rigged?  IIRC, when
> everyone got back from their lunches, Jeff told them to stand
> anywhere.  They then drew buffs from the container.  If they had
> stood in different places, it would have all been different.

And a more mixed-up switch would have been more interesting.  If they
were rigging it, they wouldn't have designed the result they got.  

Nothing seems to be going right for the show this season.  The players
are mostly sheep; their main strategy consists of "boot anyone who did
better than me last time"; I can't remember the last interesting
challenge (and having one per week sure doesn't help that any); and
it's being followed by another Burnett show that just kicks Survivor's
ass in every way.  When they try to throw in a twist like this tribe
mixing, even that falls flat.


-- 
Aaron

From nobody Mon Jul 26 05:29:29 2004
Newsgroups: alt.tv.amazing-race,rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: lying on The Amazing Race
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*bicker* <1NVAL1D@1NVAL1D.1NVAL1D> writes:

> Lying to other players seems like a legitimate strategy.
> The bowling moms did it, and it was pretty well executed,
> and not horribly objectionable.

As it turns out, this didn't happen.  Marsha said in a post-show
interview that she *overheard* the moms talking to a local about
changing money.  So if anyone lied, it wasn't to them.

> What Charla did was lie to people outside the game -- for
> all intents and purposes she lied outside of the game.
> What's worse, she could have ended up pre-empting a
> passenger, outside of the game.  That's reprehensible
> behavior.  

Eh.  I'm not a traveller, but my observation of human nature tells me
that people probably routinely claim false emergencies hoping to get
the flight they want.  Hell, I've seen people do it to get moved up in
line at the grocery store.  This looks to me like one of those
situations where everyone involved knows that everyone else is lying,
but there's a dance of protocol they have to go through.  The person
claiming the emergency just wants the seat; the ticket agent who says
there's nothing he can do just hasn't been danced with enough yet.

That's not to say I like it, and I'd like to see a rule change to
eliminate it.  But I think it's interesting that Charla and Mirna are
taking way more heat for doing it than previous liars have.


-- 

From nobody Sun Dec 19 19:12:03 2004
Newsgroups: alt.tv.survivor,rec.arts.tv,alt.tv.amazing-race
Subject: Re: Why Do People Watch Extreme Makeover:  Home Edition?
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sdfasa <blahc@jll.com> writes:

> The show does something for a family that deserves it...They don't
> take women that are insecure and give them nose jobs

I've never seen it, so I'm curious:  What does the family do to
deserve it?  Is it something like Habitat For Humanity, where they
help build someone else's house before getting their own done?


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From nobody Mon Dec 20 06:12:18 2004
Newsgroups: alt.tv.survivor,rec.arts.tv,alt.tv.amazing-race
Subject: Re: Why Do People Watch Extreme Makeover:  Home Edition?
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mnc@admin.u.nu (Miguel Cruz) writes:

> Someone who is down on their luck deserves a helping hand, even if
> they don't participate in a Welfare to Work program.

Ah, thanks.  I don't want to argue that point, but the way the word
was used made me think they had done something specific -- something
their equally down on their luck neighbors hadn't, in other words.


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From nobody Mon Dec 20 08:12:35 2004
Newsgroups: alt.tv.survivor,rec.arts.tv,alt.tv.amazing-race
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"*Calinda*" <CalindaDotLetterS@gmailRemove.com> writes:

> I've only barely watched the show a few times, but the ones I saw
> was a home where the woman had taken in a lot of foster kids, and
> needed better space for them, as they got older.. and where she had
> sacrificed a lot of personal comforts so that she could provide more
> for them.

Sounds like an interesting show.  If I got ABC here, I'd give it a
try.


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From nobody Tue Feb 15 07:53:48 2005
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv,alt.tv.amazing-race
Subject: Re: "Amazing Race" renewed for 8th, 9th runs
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urban@panix.com (Michael Urban) writes:

> I don't know whether I'll like it or not.  But I don't think of it
> as a format change, since TAR9 will go back to the adult-pair teams.
> I think of it more as a different show that has the same title and
> basic idea.

That's what I was thinking.  I wouldn't mind if TAR got the Law &
Order or Trading Spaces treatment, so we could watch "TAR Family" and
"TAR Collegiate" and "TAR Seniors" and....  I'd give them all a
chance.


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From nobody Tue Feb 15 07:58:00 2005
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv,alt.tv.amazing-race
Subject: Re: "Amazing Race" renewed for 8th, 9th runs
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"PTravel" <ptravel@ruyitang.com> writes:

> Though TAR is my favorite show, an overt Disney theme would be more
> than enough reason not to watch it.

Yeah, that would do it for me too.  I'll give it a chance with kids,
but not with Disney.


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From nobody Thu Mar  3 10:10:30 2005
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv,alt.tv.amazing-race
Subject: Re: House And Scrubs Fall To TAR
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"Ken McElhaney" <mcelhaney@hotmail.com> writes:

> Given the fact that this season debuts in the same timeslot as TAR6
> did and has about the same competition, any rise in the ratings can
> logically be bestowed on the presence of Rob 'n Amber since most of
> CBS's marketing campaign for TAR7 has put these two front 'n center.
> (Note: Comparing the TAR6 season premire to the TAR7 one tonight)

I'd also say that since TAR6 was generally thought by viewers to be
inferior to TAR5, for the TAR7 premiere to even hold the same ratings
as TAR6's would be impressive.  I know people who stopped watching
partway through TAR6 out of disgust.  If the TAR7 promos bring those
people back, they must be doing something right.


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From nobody Fri Feb  3 08:21:10 2006
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv,alt.tv.survivor
Subject: Re: "Survivor" Is a Fire Dancer a fancy name for a Stripper? 2/2 (No Spoilers)
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"Steven L." <sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> writes:

> She is what is known as a "performance artist."  Performance art is
> like circus acrobatics but oftentimes more shocking and avant-garde.

So, a stripper who can ignore any local decency laws because she calls
it "art" and does it in a theater and you have to pay at the door
instead of giving her dollar bills.


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From nobody Sat Feb  4 08:14:05 2006
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv,alt.tv.survivor
Subject: Re: "Survivor" Is a Fire Dancer a fancy name for a Stripper? 2/2 (No  Spoilers)
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Purple Rock <Da'Island@survive-this.com> writes:

> Aaron Baugher wrote:
>> So, a stripper who can ignore any local decency laws because she
>> calls it "art" and does it in a theater and you have to pay at the
>> door instead of giving her dollar bills.

> I swear, you guys simply don't deserve to have wild, imaginative and
> unselfconscious women in your lives.

I didn't say it was a bad thing, did I?  


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From nobody Mon Feb  6 16:44:07 2006
Newsgroups: alt.tv.survivor,rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Survivor12 Bullet Points-02-02-06 Episode
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"DavidCrow" <david.crow@pbsnow.com> writes:

> Who said she was hungry?  If you wait until you are actually hungry
> to finally eat something, your body is already starting to feel the
> effects.  She should eat whenever she has a chance as the next meal
> is not guaranteed.

I wonder how many contestants try eating something like that right off
the bat, just to see if they can handle it while they aren't starving.
After all, they can almost count on a gross-food eating contest
that'll be worse than eating a single bug.


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From nobody Sat Apr 28 22:20:58 2007
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Does Alec Baldwin's Voicemail Hurt 30 Rock?
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Stan <meomio@sbw.com> writes:

> Re: Does Alec Baldwin's Voicemail Hurt 30 Rock?

Isn't it kind of expensive for Baldwin to fly to Hollywood for filming
from France or wherever he moved to when we reelected Bush?

He was good in "Hunt for Red October."  I can't think of anything
worthwhile since then.



-- 

"Take what you need and leave the rest."

From nobody Sun Apr 29 08:48:37 2007
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Does Alec Baldwin's Voicemail Hurt 30 Rock?
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David Johnston <david@block.net> writes:

> He never said he'd leave the country in the first place so far as I
> know.  That came from a garbled version of Kim Basinger's statement
> in an interview in Stern where she speculated he might leave.

True, we don't have a recording of him saying it, but his wife seemed
to think he did, and other famous Lefties were saying it at the time,
so it fits.  And now considering the bizarre stuff that we *do* have
recorded as coming out of his mouth....

Besides, it's a lot more fun to ridicule him over something
meaningless like that than to joke about him being a total prick to
his own daughter.



-- 

"Take what you need and leave the rest."

From nobody Tue May 29 10:57:52 2007
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.startrek.current,alt.tv.star-trek.voyager
Subject: Re: VOYAGER - it doesn't make sense to stop & gather food from a
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Sean Carroll <seanc130@hotmail.com> writes:

> Dan Lanciani wrote:

>> When you beam something into space, where do the available
>> particles come from?

> Even the emptiest space in the Universe has a sea of virtual quantum
> particles appearing and disappearing in various arbitrary
> ways. There is a basic zero-point vacuum energy that can be tapped
> in many ways, theoretically. Matter is always being created and
> quickly 'destroyed' (turned back to energy) and then created again
> and again, all over the place.

If the transporter is capable of gathering up a bunch of zero-point
forces and turning them into whatever matter/energy it has in its
pattern buffer (as when Paris and Torres transported themselves into
space when their shuttle was coming apart), then Voyager should never
have had any shortages.  

Simply transport some warp plasma, or food, or replicator goo into
space, to get the pattern in the buffer.  Then put a GOTO in the code
so it skips the "breakdown" step and goes right to forming the same
pattern in space again.  Or, since zero-point forces are everywhere,
make it more convenient by creating it in a containment field, or the
mess hall, or wherever you want it.  

I don't think there's one answer that satisfies all episodes.
Sometimes the transporters acted like straight matter/energy
converters, and sometimes they didn't.



-- 

"Take what you need and leave the rest."

From nobody Tue May 29 11:03:11 2007
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.startrek.current,alt.tv.star-trek.voyager
Subject: Re: VOYAGER - it doesn't make sense to stop & gather food from a planet
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Sean Carroll <seanc130@hotmail.com> writes:

> Every time someone transports out, their last pattern is stored in
> the buffer. They've used this several times, I seem to recal, to
> reconstruct a person lost in transport, even though their original
> matter was destroyed or dispersed. They simply use the recorded
> information to reconstruct a new copy, out of new matter, in the
> exact same state the original was in at the moment of transport.

Which raises the obvious question: Why didn't they make occasional
"backup copies" of themselves?  Yeah, yeah, it took large amounts of
memory.  Whatever.  If one transporter can hold the patterns of a
half-dozen people, the ship's memory ought to be able to do far more
than that.  If nothing else, one transporter room could be used to
hold backups of the senior officers, and whenever they stopped at a
starbase, they could make backups of themselves there too.



-- 

"Take what you need and leave the rest."

From nobody Wed May 30 07:33:09 2007
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Anim8rFSK <ANIM8Rfsk@cox.net> writes:

> The only shortage they had was food, 'cause replicator power is 
> different.

That was the shortage they talked about the most, but they often
stopped at planets for one kind of phlebotinum or another.  Surely it
wasn't always for the replicators -- at least the 'babble terms
weren't always the same.



-- 

"Take what you need and leave the rest."

From nobody Thu May 31 09:55:50 2007
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SFTVratings <SFTVratings_troy@yahoo.com> writes:

> Let's bring this down to TODAY'S world.  Maybe you'll better
> understand the concept.  I need to conserve energy.  Which is more
> efficient:
>
> - driving to work and burning 2 gallons of gasoline per day
> - staying at home and doing my work there (hence NOT burning gasoline)

That's a pretty crummy analogy.  Here's a better one: Which is
cheaper, going out to eat, or staying home and cooking a meal?
Normally cooking at home is much cheaper, but if the gas company
turned off your gas, that's not an option, so you have to go out.

That's the situation they presented on Voyager.  They simply didn't
have enough "replicator energy" to supply all their needs, so it
wasn't a question of efficiency.  Yeah, it's stupid, and yeah, it
makes no sense, but there it is.

> The same principle applies to the replicator.  It makes more sense
> for the crew to "stay home" and eat food in the ship, rather than go
> taking a journey to a planet & wasting several megawatts of energy.

How on earth can you compare the two, when both technologies are
fictional and vaguely defined?  Where are you getting "several
megawatts," other than pulling it out of your hat?  Why not
"gigawatts" or "terrajoules"?  We have absolutely no way of
calculating how much either costs.



-- 

"Take what you need and leave the rest."

From nobody Mon Jun  4 13:05:34 2007
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Subject: Re: VOYAGER - it doesn't make sense to stop & gather food from a planet
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Sean Carroll <seanc130@hotmail.com> writes:

> For one thing, there's no such thing as 'terrajoules', unless you're
> talking about some kind of strange Earth-energy.

That was my point.  As long as we're comparing measurements that we're
pulling completely out of our asses, they might as well be in
fictional sci-fi-ish units too.



-- 

"Take what you need and leave the rest."

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SFTVratings <SFTVratings_troy@yahoo.com> writes:

> Hence the title of my post: "it doesn't make sense".  All they have
> to do is divert some energy from the warp drive to the replicator &
> make food.

Agreed.  The concept of "replicator power" that can't be converted to
and from other "types" of power is ridiculous.

>> How on earth can you compare the two, when both technologies are
>> fictional and vaguely defined?  Where are you getting "several
>> megawatts," other than pulling it out of your hat?

> (sigh) It was just a casual expression in a casual conversation.
> Megawatts.  Gigawatts.  It doesn't matter.... the point is youre
> burning a LOT more energy trying to climb a shuttle (laden with
> Leola roots) out of a gravity well, then if you just walked to the
> mess hall & replicated some meatloaf.

Casual or formal, it still makes no sense.  We can determine how much
energy it takes to lift a pound of food into orbit, although it's
going to vary based on the gravity and size of the planet.  But we
have no idea how efficient replication is, so how can you say it costs
more or less than any other process?  

You aren't comparing apples to oranges, you're comparing apples to the
mystery fruit behind door #3.



