From nobody Mon Jul 15 07:58:55 2002 Newsgroups: alt.tv.star-trek.next-gen Subject: Re: Gene Opposed Patrick Stewart? References: <3D2E9FA9.E7029D41@hotmail.com> <3d3227ed.539663960@news.kua.net> <140720022253584492%no@spam.invalid> Date: 15 Jul 2002 07:58:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lines: 31 Keeper of the Purple Twilight writes: > Troi suffered from the same fate as Jadzia did on DS9: While the > character was basically a good idea, the original idea never worked. > Troi was never useful as a counsellor (I defy anyone to point out a > single bit of 'counselling' Troi ever did which could not also have > been done by, for example, Porthos), she was useful just because she > was...Troi. Yep. Troi's empathic abilities were useful in some episodes, but often they were ignored or superfluous. "I sense they are angry, Captain," (while an alien on the screen froths at the mouth and yells at Picard). As for counselling, the obnoxious Guinan did far more counselling in fewer seasons. She could have been useful as babe-factor, except that they made her as unattractive as possible in the early years, with those jumpsuits and the big hair. She didn't hit babe-dom until later in the series when she got a uniform, and by then they were trying to move her away from the romance roles and more into "I wanna be an officer" roles. Tasha and Beverly could have filled the babe roles just fine, but the second season, with both of them gone and Pulaski in the cast would have been pretty ugly. Troi's main plot usefulness is as a romantic interest for Riker, which they did a pretty good job of dragging out for 7 years. -- Aaron From nobody Sat Jul 20 08:12:04 2002 Newsgroups: alt.tv.star-trek.next-gen Subject: Re: Actors - selfish sods or over-hyped big-heads?? References: <200720021113188415%itsme@overhere.com> Date: 20 Jul 2002 08:12:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lines: 21 It's Me writes: > According to various places, Patrick Stewart was "a breath away from > quitting his role as Captain Picard in Star Trek: Nemesis", and yet > probably was (and still is) being offered an obscene amount of > money. So? Would you rather they had to get someone else to play the role? > It's time to pay all this big-headed fools a "reasonable" hourly > rate, plus perhaps cuts of the merchandising, etc. - NOT this > over-blown fees/wages they get now. So you want movie studio owners to make more money, right? You surely don't think if actors make less money it'll translate into cheaper ticket prices. -- Aaron From nobody Sat Jul 20 18:59:27 2002 Newsgroups: alt.tv.star-trek.next-gen Subject: Re: Actors - selfish sods or over-hyped big-heads?? Date: 20 Jul 2002 18:59:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lines: 27 It's Me writes: > > So you want movie studio owners to make more money, right? You > > surely don't think if actors make less money it'll translate into > > cheaper ticket prices. > It should do, but won't - there's too many greedy scum on the planet > who are only out to make as much money as possible out of everyone > else. It has nothing to do with greed; it's simple economics. As long as movie-goers are willing to pay $X for a ticket, that's what tickets will sell for. The only question left is how it will be divided between the talent and backers. If your boss offered to double your salary, would you refuse because you already make enough? If the answer is no, does that make you "greedy scum"? I've seen all of the first eight ST movies, and have yet to pay a dime for any of them. I'm sure #10 will show up on TV eventually (from what I've heard about #9, I'm not sure I want to see it). -- Aaron From nobody Sat Jul 20 19:18:07 2002 Newsgroups: alt.tv.star-trek,alt.tv.star-trek.next-gen,rec.arts.startrek,rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc Subject: Re: Worst Episode of Each Series? References: <_ILZ8.130555$eF5.3655785@twister.austin.rr.com> <4f9df8f8.0207191040.1725d3aa@posting.google.com> <3D39D54D.5CC3@telusplanet.net> Date: 20 Jul 2002 19:18:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lines: 39 David Johnston writes: > She was great in theory. She was a wuss in practice. The problem > with Yar was that there was no job for a security chief on board the > Enterprise-D except to get slapped around to show how tough the > latest alien was and how futile violence is as a solution, and a > large Klingon getting slapped around looked much more impressive > than a small woman getting slapped around. I felt sorry for Worf at times; it seemed like they hardly ever came up against anything he could handle. One alien after another tossed him aside effortlessly. Data was clearly the toughest crew member, and I seem to remember Riker and Picard each giving Worf a good fight on the holodeck. Also, thanks to the 'violence is futile' moral that you mentioned, Worf was hardly ever allowed to use any initiative of his own. He spent most of his time having his opinions rejected and pressing buttons when the Captain said so. One of these "Worf as middle-manager of Security" occasions was on last night in "Q Who?" The first Borg was in Engineering, and Picard, Worf, and others rushed to see what was happening. When it becomes clear (Q says outright) that the Borg is trying to take other the ship, Picard eventually decides to try to stop it. He says, "Mr. Worf" (or "Lieutenant"). Worf says, "Ensign"; and a security guy steps forward to get knocked around by the Borg. Of course, this chain of command is precisely traversed for several seconds while the Borg attempts to control the ship. (The lack of urgency in this scene still amazes me after several viewings.) Eventually Picard tells Worf to use whatever force possible, and the Borg is stopped. At no point is Worf allowed to use the tiniest bit of initiative, and that's the way it was for much of the series. -- Aaron From nobody Tue Jul 23 20:05:22 2002 Newsgroups: alt.tv.star-trek,alt.tv.star-trek.ds9,alt.tv.star-trek.next-gen Subject: Re: I hope Nemesis is the last TNG film References: <0mi%8.10027$MH1.533081@weber.videotron.net> Date: 23 Jul 2002 20:05:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lines: 20 "Steve" writes: > I think a spin-off series would be great, with possibly Sirtis and > Frakes as the central stars, both having indicated their enthsiasm > for continuing their roles in the future. I only recently saw the final TNG episode for the first time. It confirmed my opinion that Riker could have been a great Captain for a future series. He really only came into his own toward the end of TNG. In the 'future' scenes of the final ep, when he was blasting Klingon ships to bits (in the Neutral Zone!) just to 'get their attention,' he was great. I'd certainly watch any series that brought back some of the TNG characters/actors, especially Riker/Frakes. -- Aaron From nobody Wed Jul 24 07:41:17 2002 Newsgroups: alt.tv.star-trek,alt.tv.star-trek.ds9,alt.tv.star-trek.next-gen Subject: Re: I hope Nemesis is the last TNG film References: <0mi%8.10027$MH1.533081@weber.videotron.net> Date: 24 Jul 2002 07:41:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lines: 19 "Wickeddoll=AE" writes: > > I think a spin-off series would be great, with possibly Sirtis and > > Frakes as the central stars, both having indicated their enthsiasm > > for continuing their roles in the future. > I like both characters, but how do you figure they could carry a > series? Not by themselves, but as top billing in an ensemble cast. Frakes is easy; give Riker his own command on some ship/base. I'm not sure how you make Troi a bigger character. Toward the end of TNG she was working on advancing her career, so maybe something more than ship's counsellor could grow out of that. --=20 Aaron From nobody Wed Jul 24 07:43:45 2002 Newsgroups: alt.tv.star-trek,alt.tv.star-trek.ds9,alt.tv.star-trek.next-gen Subject: Re: I hope Nemesis is the last TNG film References: <0mi%8.10027$MH1.533081@weber.videotron.net> <3Bs%8.68603$WsS.30885@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com> Date: 24 Jul 2002 07:43:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lines: 16 "80 Knight" <80knight@rogers.com> writes: > IMHO, Mirina looks MUCH better now then she ever did in > TNG. Although, she did look good in the later seasons when she > finally got into a StarFleet uniform. But, she still looks much > better now. Absolutely. When TNN started off TNG with a marathon, with clips from some of the actors during breaks, she was stunning. I never found her that attractive during the show, especially with the big hair early on, but now she's a babe. -- Aaron From nobody Wed Jul 24 07:48:15 2002 Newsgroups: alt.tv.star-trek.ds9,alt.tv.star-trek.next-gen Subject: Re: I hope Nemesis is the last TNG film References: Date: 24 Jul 2002 07:48:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lines: 23 King of Cyberia writes: > Well TOS films are through, VOY and ENT wouldn't be good themes for > one. DS9 is highly unlikely. If the next TNG film is gonna suck > (like Insurretchin') then I say end it with Nemesis. While I really > like Worf, Picard, and Data the actors prob wanna move onto other > projects and not be typecast. Is Paramount going to afford Stewart's > contract for the next film if there is one? I've seen more than one person say that Stewart and Spiner might be too expensive. Why? I can't see that these guys are in huge demand. Stewart did a made-for-cable movie, and I guess he does the voice for a cartoon. I think the last time I saw Spiner was a bit part in Independence Day. These guys might be doing plays somewhere, but since when does it cost a lot to hire someone away from Broadway? As for being typecast, I'd think I'd rather be typecast and working for good money than unemployed. What's Duchovny doing these days? -- Aaron From nobody Thu Jul 25 05:48:34 2002 Newsgroups: alt.tv.star-trek.ds9,alt.tv.star-trek.next-gen Subject: Re: I hope Nemesis is the last TNG film Date: 25 Jul 2002 05:48:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lines: 32 "David B." writes: > Paramount pays them a lot for each TNG film. Stewart is making over > 10 million per TNG film and Spiner is pretty close. Paramount makes > them expensive by paying them so much to star in a TNG film. Amazing. I'm not trying to put these guys down -- I like them both -- but I'm surprised they get that much. Don't Oscar winners like Tom Hanks and Harrison Ford get $20M per film? I thought of a couple other movies Stewart has been in, like Conspiracy Theory with Mel Gibson, but he hasn't often been a lead character. Spiner is an even bigger mystery. He's had one memorable character in his career: Data. How'd he ever get the leverage to command a near $10M salary? I realize they wouldn't want to make a movie without Data, but from a story-line perspective, he'd be the easiest to replace -- just have his brain transplanted, or at least his face altered somehow. I wonder what the other cast members are pulling down. Seems to me Frakes gets as much screen time as Spiner, and Troi, Worf, Crusher, and LaForge wouldn't be too far behind. Heck, Whoopi is the closest thing the show ever had to a genuine Hollywood star -- what's she getting paid to do her annoying guru-of-the-universe act? :-) I don't begrudge them the money; I'm just surprised Paramount is paying that much. -- Aaron From nobody Thu Jul 25 21:05:19 2002 Newsgroups: alt.tv.star-trek.ds9,alt.tv.star-trek.next-gen Subject: Re: I hope Nemesis is the last TNG film Date: 25 Jul 2002 21:05:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lines: 13 "Wickeddoll=AE" writes: > Doesn't surprise me at all. Don't we all go to these movies like > clockwork? 'Fraid not. I haven't been in a movie theater in at least 5 years. No boycott or anything; just haven't seen anything I had to see right away that badly. --=20 Aaron From nobody Thu Jul 25 21:20:27 2002 Newsgroups: alt.tv.star-trek.enterprise,alt.tv.star-trek.next-gen,alt.tv.star-trek.voyager Subject: Re: Okay, Maybe This Is Dumb... References: Date: 25 Jul 2002 21:20:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lines: 40 "Nelz" writes: > ...but why does everyone think "Generations" is so bad. I enjoy it > every time I watch it, despite the groaners in there and the fact > Kirk is in it. I liked it fine -- certainly more than any of the TOS movies. As for Kirk's appearance, it's easy to forget now how uptight people were about the transition from old crew to new. I remember interviews with some of the TOS crew, who felt pushed out, saying they felt they still had movies in them. Some sort of homage had to be shown to TOS in the first TNG movie, and having Kirk come back to save the day wasn't a bad compromise. ************ SPOILER ALERT ************************ My only real irritation with Generations was the whole notion of the Nexus, and the way they use it. (Which is a problem for pretty much every story every written that's built around time/space travel.) When Guinan tells Picard that he can go anywhere/anywhen from the Nexus, he chooses to go back just several minutes, to the point where the bad guy was shooting at him. If the Nexus can send him anywhere, why not be sent to a point right behind the bad guy, or at least somewhere safe? How about being sent back 2 weeks or so, and blast the bad guy with a phazer before he even gets his plan moving? When people write "rip in the space/time continuum" stories, they should really have more imagination. Also, at first we're told that once in the Nexus, you'll never want out, or even realize it's not real. Yet Picard realizes something's wrong within a few minutes, and only needs a little prompting from Guinan to leave it all behind. Suddenly the Nexus isn't all that seductive at all. -- Aaron From nobody Fri Jul 26 05:56:20 2002 Newsgroups: alt.tv.star-trek.enterprise,alt.tv.star-trek.next-gen,alt.tv.star-trek.voyager Subject: Re: Okay, Maybe This Is Dumb... References: Date: 26 Jul 2002 05:56:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lines: 14 jsavard@ecn.ab.ca () writes: > It seemed to me to be a movie that couldn't make up its mind whether > it wanted to be a Trek feast of in-jokes from beginning to end... or > a movie with a serious theme about loss, regret, and acceptance. It's been a while since I saw Generations, but I'm not sure what you mean by 'in-jokes.' Any examples? I'll have to watch for them next time. -- Aaron From nobody Mon Jul 29 08:07:55 2002 Newsgroups: alt.tv.star-trek.ds9,alt.tv.star-trek.next-gen Subject: Re: I hope Nemesis is the last TNG film Date: 29 Jul 2002 08:07:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lines: 16 "Wickeddoll=AE" writes: > Aaron? Yes? To clarify: I haven't been to any movie in a theater for at least five years -- ST or otherwise. I just don't enjoy the theater experience enough to pay for it, and so many movies that look promising in the previews end up as disappointments. Nothing to do with actors' salaries or anything like that. --=20 Aaron From nobody Wed Aug 14 07:30:29 2002 Newsgroups: alt.tv.star-trek.next-gen Subject: Re: Name the episode... References: Date: 14 Aug 2002 07:30:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lines: 15 "Mark" writes: > Q takes Picard back to the start of life on earth. Q and Picard are > standing on a rocky/muddy/steamy area where slime is about to become > 'life'. "Oooops!" says Q, standing on and squashing the > slime. "There goes life on earth!" (or something like that...) > What episode (if any) was that? The final episode, a two-parter, "All Good Things...". -- Aaron From nobody Sun Oct 6 09:21:01 2002 Newsgroups: alt.tv.star-trek,alt.tv.star-trek.enterprise,alt.tv.star-trek.next-gen Subject: Re: So Star Trek really is dying out? References: <061020021932493393%anybody@anywhere-anytime.com> Date: 06 Oct 2002 09:21:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lines: 15 Anybody writes: > > Star Trek will never die out so long as Marina Sirtis keeps > > getting better and better looking. > Err ... only if you watch the seasons backwards. ;-) Are you kidding? In the first season, with the big hair, stark makeup, and jumpsuit, she was the third-most attractive woman in the crew after Yar and Dr. Crusher. These days, she's a major hottie. -- Aaron From nobody Sat Nov 23 07:09:25 2002 Newsgroups: alt.tv.star-trek.enterprise,alt.tv.star-trek.voyager,alt.tv.star-trek.next-gen Subject: Re: [OT] Steve's OT Movie Reviews References: <3DD6B2F2.2028@yahoo.com> <3DDB8B2F.BE8B0B9@optusnet.com.au> <3DDF43CE.8759694D@optusnet.com.au> Date: 23 Nov 2002 07:09:23 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lines: 19 "David A McIntee" writes: > Most of the criticisms we heard about in the UK were claiming it was > racist for having black opponents to the heroes and not telling us > their side. Maybe they should have replaced the politically-unacceptable Somali bad guys with white supremacists, like the idiots who made the latest Tom Clancy movie. (Did that movie bomb? I saw a couple promos for it on TV, but I'm not sure it even made it to theaters here.) A very good book on the Somalia situation, from the viewpoint of a reporter who was there, is "Out of America," by Keith B. Richburg. He also spent time in Rwanda, but most of it takes place in Somalia. -- Aaron From nobody Wed Nov 27 07:13:58 2002 Newsgroups: alt.tv.star-trek.next-gen Subject: Re: OT - (JFF) Are you going to hell? References: <261120022145458435%no@spam.invalid> Date: 27 Nov 2002 07:13:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lines: 12 Keeper of the Purple Twilight writes: > Who is General Failure, and why is he reading my hard drive? It's from a Homer Simpson quote. He's in trouble once, and he says something like, "Save me, Jeebus." Considering the Simpsons attend church regularly, it shows he *really* hasn't been paying attention. -- Aaron From nobody Wed Nov 27 15:45:17 2002 Newsgroups: alt.tv.star-trek.next-gen Subject: Re: OT - (JFF) Are you going to hell? Date: 27 Nov 2002 15:45:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lines: 16 > > Who is General Failure, and why is he reading my hard drive? > It's from a Homer Simpson quote. He's in trouble once, and he says > something like, "Save me, Jeebus." Considering the Simpsons attend > church regularly, it shows he *really* hasn't been paying attention. Whoops, I quoted the wrong line. I was replying to this one: > but what (pardon the pun) the hell does "one with Jeebas" mean? -- Aaron From nobody Sat Dec 14 07:46:46 2002 Newsgroups: alt.startrek,alt.tv.star-trek.next-gen,alt.tv.star-trek.voyager,alt.tv.star-trek.enterprise Subject: Re: Whether you hate or love Nemesis... References: <4ef350de.0212131549.788a8b28@posting.google.com> <3dfaff56$1_2@news.iglou.com> Date: 14 Dec 2002 07:46:45 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lines: 14 vorxion@fairlite.com (Vorxion) writes: > What the hell was wrong with Generations? It was dark and macabre, > but it was good, IMHO. I liked it too; certainly more than most of the ones that went before it. It had a couple of "Hey, wait a minute, movie" moments regarding the Nexus, but what movie has ever used the old space/time travel idea and had it all make perfect logical sense? -- Aaron From nobody Mon Dec 16 07:25:50 2002 Newsgroups: alt.tv.star-trek.next-gen Subject: Re: The TNG member who's family we've seen most References: <20021216002642.02653.00000052@mb-da.aol.com> <161220020017403807%no@spam.invalid> Date: 16 Dec 2002 07:25:49 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lines: 16 Keeper of the Purple Twilight writes: > Well, let's see...we've seen both of Picard's parents, his brother, > his sister-in-law, and his nephew. So we're about even - we've seen > five members of Data's family and five of Picard's. For Worf we've seen his two human parents, his son, and a brother. Anyone else I'm forgetting, or I missed in DS9? What was that one guy who showed up to train Alexander, an uncle or family servant or something? -- Aaron From nobody Mon Dec 30 20:07:31 2002 Newsgroups: alt.tv.star-trek.next-gen Subject: Re: Where does Nemesis rank? References: <20021230200950.22915.00000330@mb-mf.aol.com> Date: 30 Dec 2002 20:07:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lines: 14 cleit273@aol.com (Cleit273) writes: > 4. ST IV: The Voyage Home - the most > "fun" Trek film of them all, a great > plot, and all of the humor was dead > on, not corny and strained. Oh, come on. Whether you like ST:IV or not (I don't), you have to admit it was plenty corny. Remember Spock trying to curse to fit in? -- Aaron From nobody Fri Jan 17 06:09:37 2003 Newsgroups: alt.tv.star-trek.enterprise,alt.tv.star-trek.next-gen,alt.startrek Subject: Re: Patrick Stewart is disappointed with Trek fans.. References: <3E271CAB.9060808@adeadend.demon.co.uk> <3E27C4BF.6440AEB0@hotmail.com> Organization: ESC Date: 17 Jan 2003 06:09:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lines: 12 "David B." writes: > That and I'd be upset about Nemesis being released at such a stupid > time if I was Patrick Stewart. A marketing campaign might have helped, too. If not for this newsgroup, I might not have known the movie was out yet. -- Aaron From nobody Tue Jan 21 10:16:30 2003 Newsgroups: alt.startrek,alt.tv.star-trek.ds9,alt.tv.star-trek.enterprise,alt.tv.star-trek.next-gen,alt.tv.star-trek.voyager Subject: Re: Patrick Stewart: to Bush: "You have a choice" References: <734f2ea8.0301201411.5193f7a7@posting.google.com> Organization: ESC Date: 21 Jan 2003 10:16:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 22 "Korbinian Abenthum" writes: > Anyway, what did Patrick Stewart say that annoyed you? The only > "advice" he gave was: "I would like to remind Bush, Tony Blair and > Gerhard Schröder that they have a choice." > So what? That's certainly true. War *isn't* the only option, and the > people he mentioned hopefully will consider these. But that's not what it really means. War is always the last resort for a just nation -- you don't go to war until you have no other choice. So saying "they have a choice" is just a weasely way of saying "don't go to war, period." I enjoy most of Stewart's work, but I'm not really interested in the political views of the guy who did the Erotic Cakes sketch on SNL. How can you take him seriously after that? -- Aaron From nobody Tue Jan 21 10:21:40 2003 Newsgroups: alt.startrek,alt.tv.star-trek.ds9,alt.tv.star-trek.enterprise,alt.tv.star-trek.next-gen,alt.tv.star-trek.voyager Subject: Re: Patrick Stewart: to Bush: "You have a choice" References: Organization: ESC Date: 21 Jan 2003 10:21:39 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lines: 20 odeus@bigfoot.com (O Deus) writes: > If we do try to create an analogue between the Nemesis solution and > the Iraq problem, we'd have the US team up with some of Saddam's > generals to kill him and his Republican Guard off alltogether. Which > is still probably not what Stewart had in mind when he misrepresents > Nemesis' plot as an anti-war editorial. So Hollywood movie-makers are hypocrites. There's a shocker. Kind of like the way they all push for gun control, but they're perfectly happy making money off movies where the heroes shoot everybody. They make Bill Clinton look like an amateur when it comes to 'compartmentalizing.' Did you know Clint Eastwood thought Dirty Harry was the bad guy? -- Aaron From nobody Tue Jan 21 18:10:17 2003 Newsgroups: alt.tv.star-trek.enterprise,alt.tv.star-trek.next-gen,alt.tv.star-trek.voyager Subject: Re: [AOB] WAY OT: Hooray for ME! References: <3E2CC26F.1090304@swbell.net> Organization: ESC Date: 21 Jan 2003 18:10:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lines: 16 "EvilBill[AGQx]" writes: > Trouble with getting Macs and/or Linux is, most games are made for > Windows, plus you can't run MSN Messenger. Which is what most of my > online friends use A search for 'MSN' in the ports tree of FreeBSD comes up with five different clients. Some of them also handle other messaging clients, which is handy if you have friends on more than one system. I suspect all of them are available for Linux as well, but I can't vouch for how good any of them are. -- Aaron From nobody Thu Feb 6 06:20:34 2003 Newsgroups: alt.tv.star-trek.next-gen Subject: Re: Berman doesn't know why Nemesis failed References: <050220031810597970%anybody@anywhere-anytime.com> Organization: ESC Date: 06 Feb 2003 06:20:34 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lines: 20 "KC 2.0 --faster than before" writes: > Here is more on Berman's "explanation" (or is it excuse): > "There's no way of telling what happened," Berman said. "I'm > convinced that we made a very good movie, and I'm also convinced > that the movie was promoted properly. I thought the trailers and > the television spots were all excellent. Maybe they should have actually run those excellent TV spots, instead of keeping them secret. I have yet to see one (never saw a TV promo for Insurrection, either). Contrast that to the other big releases at the time -- I feel like I know most of the plots of TLOR and Harry Potter just from all the TV ads and promotional shots on various entertainment and news shows. -- Aaron From nobody Wed Apr 2 12:56:47 2003 Newsgroups: alt.tv.star-trek.next-gen,alt.tv.star-trek.voyager Subject: Re: OT: Why I'm gonna go bankrupt on June 3rd References: <260320032339195264%no@spam.invalid> <3e837c95.1968996@news2.wwnet.net> <3E83C8B9.2C8640C8@hotmail.com> <3e84e78c.1288834@news2.wwnet.net> <020420031031098245%no@spam.invalid> Organization: ESC Date: 02 Apr 2003 12:56:46 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lines: 11 Keeper of the Purple Twilight writes: > Doesn't anyone else remember 'Chess' and that weird song about > Bangkok? Got the CD right here. -- Aaron From nobody Wed Apr 2 19:13:36 2003 Newsgroups: alt.tv.star-trek.next-gen,alt.tv.star-trek.voyager Subject: Re: OT: Why I'm gonna go bankrupt on June 3rd Organization: ESC Date: 02 Apr 2003 19:13:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lines: 14 kaboom@7of.9 writes: > **I've got the damn thing on...LP! Get out the Geritol. > > >Got the CD right here. [of "Chess"] Mine is the live "Original Broadway Cast Recording," so it's not quite the same as the radio version. I didn't like it as much at first, but it's grown on me. -- Aaron From nobody Tue Jun 19 17:04:00 2007 Newsgroups: alt.tv.star-trek.ds9,alt.tv.star-trek.enterprise,alt.tv.star-trek.next-gen,alt.tv.star-trek.tos,alt.tv.star-trek.voyager,rec.arts.sf.written,alt.books.isaac-asimov,alt.fan.piers-anthony Subject: Re: Science Fiction? References: <1120910816.584227.65040@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <4677B14D.5EC0F533@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> From: Aaron Baugher Organization: Baugher Salvage and Really Wild Stuff Corporation Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:03:59 -0500 Message-ID: <864pl37ga8.fsf@brinn.baugher.biz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lines: 20 Tim Bruening writes: >> What in your opinion is the best example of Science Fiction and why? > The Foundation Series by Isaac Asimov > Nightfall by Asimov. > Star Trek. > Babylon 5. > Piers Anthony's Apprentice Adept series. What? You just threw this last one in to see if anyone was paying attention to the cross-posting, right? -- "Take what you need and leave the rest." From nobody Thu Jun 21 07:22:01 2007 Newsgroups: alt.tv.star-trek.ds9,alt.tv.star-trek.enterprise,alt.tv.star-trek.next-gen,alt.tv.star-trek.tos,alt.tv.star-trek.voyager,rec.arts.sf.written,alt.books.isaac-asimov,alt.fan.piers-anthony Subject: Re: Science Fiction? References: <1120910816.584227.65040@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <4677B14D.5EC0F533@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> <864pl37ga8.fsf@brinn.baugher.biz> <467895AA.197BF3D0@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> From: Aaron Baugher Organization: Baugher Salvage and Really Wild Stuff Corporation Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 07:22:00 -0500 Message-ID: <86y7id33br.fsf@brinn.baugher.biz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lines: 44 Tim Bruening writes: > Aaron Baugher wrote: > >> Tim Bruening writes: >> >> What in your opinion is the best example of Science Fiction and >> >> why? >> > The Foundation Series by Isaac Asimov >> > Nightfall by Asimov. >> > Star Trek. >> > Babylon 5. >> >> > Piers Anthony's Apprentice Adept series. >> >> What? You just threw this last one in to see if anyone was paying >> attention to the cross-posting, right? > > Nope. The Apprentice Adept series features a highly scientific > planet named Proton (Ruled by Citizens, who are served by naked > Serfs), which supplies the galaxy with a fuel called Protonite. Its > connected via a curtain to a magical planet called Phaze, which is > ruled by Adepts. Yes, I have the books and have read it a few times, and enjoyed it very much. Stile is a great character. I just wouldn't put in a list of "best examples of science fiction." It's half sci-fi at best, and even that half is more fantasy than science. Not that the other entries on your list were hard science either, but the Adept series is the only one with outright magic. If I wanted to include something from Anthony, maybe Bio of a Space Tyrant, the Cluster series, or Macroscope (one of my favorite books). I read everything I could find by Anthony until the Xanth series started feeling tired, and I got old enough that I felt a little skeevy reading stories featuring young girls and their panties. -- "Take what you need and leave the rest."