From nobody Tue Jul 9 19:34:15 2002 Newsgroups: alt.tv.daria Subject: Re: Any Daria edits in "The N" on Noggin? References: <3d24f159.180009115@news.mvn.net> <20020705044241.28050.00002860@mb-cf.aol.com> Date: 09 Jul 2002 19:34:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lines: 37 rhinomat93@aol.com (Rhinomat93) writes: > All right, I'm back, and the editing wasn't as bad this time around, > except for a couple moments... > Jake's joke about replacing Timothy Leary was cut. Yeah, right, like > any of the people who watch The N even know who Timothy Leary > is. Maybe 5% at the most. That's the problem. Mom thinks little Billy is watching a harmless cartoon, until little Billy turns around and asks, "Mom, who's Timothy Leary?" Mom says, "What the %*$( are they showing on that %&)# channel, anyway!" and sets the V-chip to never show that channel again. > Helen - "Jake, we fell on our asses on a pile of garbage. I feel > like a hog." > I never really considered "ass" a bad word... But hey, what're you > gonna do? I don't suppose you heard it on TV as recently as 10 years ago. There are plenty of other words that fit just as well, after all. If 'asses' had originally been 'rears,' the sentence would have had the same meaning, and it probably wouldn't have been cut. I'm always surprised to see how much gets cut out of shows I thought were clean, especially when movies show up on TV. There are Eighties movies like "Weird Science" that had some typical horny teenager stuff, but seemed pretty harmless at the time; but when they show up on TV, they've got all sorts of dialogue beeped or replaced that I'd forgotten about. -- Aaron From nobody Tue Jul 23 10:16:39 2002 Newsgroups: alt.tv.daria Subject: Re: Basic Daria information needed References: <59e9f431.0207202058.7a50ccf6@posting.google.com> <59e9f431.0207220929.39e5cdec@posting.google.com> Date: 23 Jul 2002 10:16:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lines: 20 MikeYamiolkoski@msn.com (Mike Y.) writes: > > Besides when do hurricanes hit St Louis, Missouri? > Well, I'm no meteorologist, but I don't think it would be unheard of > for that part of the country to receive the edge of a hurricane that > struck the Gulf of Mexico. I'll ask my friend who took classes like > that in college and see what he says. I'm about 100 miles north of St. Louis. While we don't get actual hurricanes this far inland, we do occasionally get seriously bad weather that originally comes from a hurricane. So it wouldn't be unheard of for people to talk about a hurricane on the way, although they probably wouldn't use that word exclusively since it's not a hurricane anymore by the time it gets here. -- Aaron From nobody Tue Oct 22 07:38:26 2002 Newsgroups: alt.tv.daria Subject: Re: Noggin Cuts References: Date: 22 Oct 2002 07:38:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lines: 71 Gamer writes: > Some of what they're cutting doesnt make sense at all. > Example: Episode 301, Through a Lens Darkley: > Jane: "How many fingers" > (pause.. silence) Line cut: Daria: "I've got one for you" > Jane: "You're not wearing your contacts at all". > I might understand if daria had just flat out said fuck you rather > than eluding to it, but this is rediculous. If somebody is actually > worried about this to such an extent that it was cut my true > question would be has this person ever gone outside? Why own a TV if > you want content that would be acceptable pretty much to anyone to > be censored. As I've said before, these cuts aren't made to protect children from reality, they're made to keep attention-deficit parents happy. Most parents aren't going to sit down and watch the shows on Noggin to decide what's acceptable or not; they're going to say, "Ah, a cartoon, good," and plant the kids in front of it. If Mom hears, "I've got one finger for you," from the next room, she's going to charge in and change the channel, and maybe block the channel. She's not going to take it in context, or take time to watch a whole episode and make an informed opinion. So networks that market themselves specifically as 'safe' entertainment for kids can't take any chances. It's too easy to just change the channel, or pop that dog-eared copy of Little Mermaid in the VCR for the 100th time. > Most of Daria's fans are in an older age group - Most people dont > understand the show and half of what the characters say and therefore > they dont watch it. In fact, I doubt many people under the age of 12 > would watch Daria, considering the number who understand it in high > school (sadly..). Which is why it'd be better off on a network that people don't expect to be showing kiddy stuff. > Jake says damnit in the majority of his lines, wont deny that - but - > since when was the word deemed entirely unacceptable? Hell, are these > kids not allowed to read books above a third grade level (And > furthermore, can they?) I'll break from the crowd here and say I don't have a problem with this sort of self-censorship. Sure, I wish Daria were on a channel that would show it complete -- although any other channel would still make cuts for time -- but I don't have a general problem with Noggin trying to be squeaky clean. Just because kids are giving each other the finger on the schoolyard doesn't mean TV should reinforce the notion that that's normal or right in the real world. I first encountered hard-core porn when I was about 10 years old, when one of my classmates snuck some into school. However, the fact that that experience didn't spoil me for life doesn't mean that porn should be freely available for kids. The fact that this kid had to sneak it around and we all knew we'd be in huge trouble if caught, only reinforced the social norms. Even while breaking the rules, we were learning them. That's a far cry from what would happen if adults just said, "Well, we can't stop kids from encountering violence/sex/swearing, so let's just forget it and let it all hang out." My problem with most kiddy entertainment isn't the self-censorship, it's the fact that most of it is insipid or indoctrinating, or both. -- Aaron From nobody Wed Oct 23 06:23:09 2002 Newsgroups: alt.tv.daria Subject: Re: Noggin Cuts Date: 23 Oct 2002 06:23:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lines: 91 Gamer writes: > Sadly. I still havent figured out why these people even buy TV's. They make good pacifiers. > Ahh, but now we've changed the line. It reads, "I have one for you" > - not nearly the same effect as "I have one finger for you". In > fact, would most of these parents even pick up on it? Furthermore, > would their kids? Guess I shortened it accidentally. It was actually two lines: Jane: How many fingers am I holding up? Daria: I have one for you. Hope I've got that right now; I didn't look it up. Anyway, with the sarcastic tone of voice Daria uses, I don't think any parent would have trouble picking up the meaning. > Damn politically correct crap. Fact is, people blame all the wrong > things.. If somebody goes berserk and takes an uzi to school, of > course it's the fault of some form of entertainment. Couldnt have > anything at all to do with their parents/etc. You're right, of course. Entertainment is a part of the equation, but the parents and the school itself are far more responsible. And of course the shooters are ultimately responsible. > I remember playing Wolfenstein 3d when I was around 7 or 8. Am I > going to go insane and start killing people because of it? Don't > plan on it. > The language I can see them stripping on occasion when perhaps it > gets a little excessive; however, this is a little extreme at times. I agree that it's excessive; my point is simply that a network which markets itself as a safe babysitter is going to have to be excessive if it's going to satisfy parents. > Without the language sometimes the whole point of the line > disappears. The meaning changes, making less of an impact and making > the statement insipid - just like all those stupid cartoons. True. > I'll be willing to bet a character saying "damnit" or "I've got one > for you" on TV wasnt such a big deal when you were 10 either. If MTV > tried half of what they pulled off in the 80's / early 90's today > they would, without a doubt, have more lawsuits than music videos. I'm not sure if 'damn' was allowed 23 years ago or not; but there were certainly words and actions banned from TV then which are common now. Watch a movie like "Weird Science" on basic cable, and see how many words they cut back when they did the original edit that wouldn't be any big deal now. > Since when was TV a role model? Since people (including kids) started watching several hours/day. If TV isn't a role model, why does it keep telling me to vote, not drink and drive, not smoke pot or cigarettes, give blood, and donate to the United Way? It certainly *wants* to be my role model. > Agreed. Daria is neither and censorship lowers the value of the > content in the show. Every Noggin episode I've watched so far has > been missing something. People who've never seen the show probably don't notice the cuts, though. I'm sure Noggin doesn't expect a lot of crossover from the MTV audience; and the Daria fans who do notice the cuts aren't in Noggin's demographic, so they don't matter. Every show that goes into syndication gets cut somewhere; the only question is where. When I watch other shows that I never saw in their original run, I know I'm missing lines and scenes, but I can still enjoy the shows. I don't like cuts for time any more than cuts for content. > Myself I couldnt imagine watching IIFY without Alison. Anyways, I > thought this politically correct shit supported "alternate > lifestyles." Or would this have only been ok if Jane was bisexual > too? I agree; I'm glad I caught IIFY while it was still on MTV. That subplot is a big part of the movie. -- Aaron From nobody Thu Oct 24 05:50:20 2002 Newsgroups: alt.tv.daria Subject: Re: Noggin Cuts Date: 24 Oct 2002 05:50:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lines: 34 "Reese Kaine" writes: > I'm going to pop my bootleg Daria CDs in and bask in Daria's > original glory. Won't you all join me? Seriously, this is probably > the only way you'll ever get to see the show uncut. I used to have > faith in MTV possibly putting the show on DVD or Viacom moving the > show over to a more flexible channel, but I know now that that just > ain't going to happen. :-( I guess you never know; old shows pop up all over the place. A&E had Newsradio a while back; then they dropped it for a while; now it's back. Even shows like Sports Night, which had fewer episodes than Daria, tend to show up somewhere if they have an audience. If a show has a following, and is available at a decent price, some network will pick it up; but as in the case with Noggin, it might not be a network that makes us very happy. What amazes me is that B&B hasn't shown up anywhere in syndication since MTV stopped running it. This show was hugely popular with the demographic everyone is obsessed with. By now there should be a whole new generation of teens who have never seen it, and there would be a large group of 25-40 year-olds who would watch it for the nostalgia (maybe put it on VH1). It could surely compete with whatever else MTV is running these days, and on zero production cost My only guess is that their rights to the videos have expired, and it'd be too costly and troublesome to renew them. Something like the way most Mystery Science Theater 3000 episodes can't be shown, because the owners of the movie rights won't renew them. -- Aaron From nobody Tue Nov 19 06:07:57 2002 Newsgroups: alt.tv.daria Subject: Re: Noggin References: <20021118164757.25113.00005102@mb-mp.aol.com> Date: 19 Nov 2002 06:07:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lines: 17 lexid523@aol.com (LexiD523) writes: > that might not be so bad...then maybe MTV2 might pick up Daria and > LEAVE IT THE HELL ALONE! Any network that picks it up is almost certainly going to cut it for syndication length, like any other show. The cuts might be less annoying, though. Cuts for time would probably take out entire scenes, instead of chopping up dialogue like Noggin is doing. I'd think it'd be tough to cut an animated, dialogue-driven show like Daria without losing something important; there's not a lot of fat to trim. -- Aaron From nobody Mon Jan 6 14:05:22 2003 Newsgroups: alt.tv.daria Subject: Re: OT: ISP charges (was Re: IRC) References: Date: 06 Jan 2003 14:05:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lines: 22 "Martin Sylvester" writes: > My understanding is that most users in the USA, if not all of them, > pay a flat rate for internet access. I hope to be corrected by US > readers if I've got that wrong! Assuming it's right, it doesn't > matter financially if today's messages take 3 seconds to download, > or 3 minutes: the longer download won't cost them any more money. Correct. Most telcos in the US charge a flat monthly rate for local calls within a certain area. So as long as you have a dialup number within your area, there's no per-minute charge. For example, I pay about $25/month for my phone line, and another $25/month for local Internet access, and that's it, whether I use it 10 hours or 1000. However, it's still annoying when graphics-intensive web pages designed for high-speed customers take forever. It might not be costing me dollars directly, but it's wasting my time. -- Aaron From nobody Mon Jan 6 14:10:23 2003 Newsgroups: alt.tv.daria Subject: Re: IRC References: Date: 06 Jan 2003 14:10:23 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lines: 30 "Johannes Kern" writes: > and I have another question: http://www.xs4all.nl/ > ~wijnands/nnq/nquote.html#Q3 said: > "Many people (especially outside the United States) have to pay for > their Internet access by the minute and/or by the amount of data > transferred." > that implicits that Internet Access is free in the U.S.A. > So you have 56Kbps per default for free? No, a 56K dialup account typically costs $10-25 US dollars/month, depending on how much competition there is in your area, and what services are included. There used to be freenets in some places that offered free dialup accounts, but I don't know if any still exist. On top of that, many people pay for a second phone line so they can be dialed up without interfering with their voice line, and that costs another $10-20 or so per month. > Or more? And how much costs a T1-T3? Not as much as it used to, but still plenty. To bring a T1 to my house would be $1000/month, at least. The price depends greatly on how many telcos it passes through, and other regulatory stuff. -- Aaron From nobody Tue Jun 17 15:48:41 2003 Newsgroups: alt.tv.daria Subject: Re: News from the Hell Beast (aka MTV) References: <20030613185220.03168.00000512@mb-m03.news.cs.com> Organization: ESC Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 15:48:37 -0500 berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lines: 12 Firah writes: > Right now, I feel like puttig on a ninja suit and raiding the MTV > video vaults! Maybe I can get all of the episodes of "Downtown" > while I'm there. Grab the box marked "Maxx" too. -- Aaron From nobody Tue Jun 17 16:06:18 2003 Newsgroups: alt.tv.daria Subject: Re: (OT)Undergrads DVD References: Organization: ESC berkeley-unix) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 16:06:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lines: 31 "Michelle Klein-Hass" writes: > If MTV Networks wants to see an end to trading episodes on Kazaa and > their like, they should put EVERYTHING out on DVD or farm it out to > a third party (Time-Life, Anchor Bay Entertainment or their like) to > put it out. Daria, The Maxx, Downtown, and Aeon Flux all deserve a > DVD release. I think you just hit on one reason why they *aren't* in a hurry to get the older shows on DVD. Nowadays every show that airs is immediately recorded and passed around in high-quality copies on the net, so if they hope to make money on a DVD release, they'd better hurry up and get it out before every fan of the show has his own copy from Kazaa or wherever. Older shows like The Maxx and Aeon Flux (and to a lesser extent, Daria, which is newer) aren't as easily available in high-quality pirated copies, so there's less urgency in making a DVD. If you can find those shows on the net at all, they're likely to be poor-quality copies, even taken from VCR tapes. (A couple of B&B eps I downloaded were terrible quality -- obviously via VCR -- and incomplete.) So those pirated copies won't keep serious fans from buying the DVD -- whenever it happens to come out. I'm not saying that's the main reason, but it could enter into why some shows are considered more profitable as DVDs than others. -- Aaron From nobody Wed Jun 25 13:42:56 2003 Newsgroups: alt.tv.daria Subject: Re: News from the Hell Beast (aka MTV) References: <20030613185220.03168.00000512@mb-m03.news.cs.com> Organization: ESC Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:42:55 -0500 berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lines: 16 Firah writes: > Well they did release "The Maxx" on home video (I found a copy a > couple of months ago) but it seems that they butchered it. If you > didn't follow the story when it originally aired, watching the tape > will leave you very confused. I did follow the show when it originally aired, and I was still confused. After catching each episode a few times, I think I started to know what was really going on, but I was never quite sure. Great show, though. -- Aaron